Boys State Basketball State Tournament Field

[ClkTwr2011]

There has been a great deal of conversation regarding how the State Tournament field is set. I was and am a big supporter of the current system. I have always wanted to see competitive games all the way though the State Tournament and felt that the current system was the best (so far) chance of getting that. I like seeing the best 8 teams make it to Lincoln based upon their entire body of work rather than just a couple games at the right time.

Class A is and will always be an outlier. I don't know why it is so much different than all of the other classes. There are 3 teams that rank outside of the Top 8 in Power Points. One of those is 9th.

Class B has no State Tournament qualifiers outside the Top 8 in Power Points.

Class C-1 has 2 qualifiers outside the Top 8 with one being 9th.

Class C-2 has 1 qualifier outside the Top 8 and that team is 9th.

Class D-1 has no qualifiers outside the Top 8.

Class D-2 has 1 qualifier outside of the Top 8 and again that team is 9th.

I believe that the NSAA Membership that drives these decisions should be commended for a job well done. I don't know anyone to thank, but if I did know them I certainly would do so.

Can someone explain why Class A always seems to be like this? Is is a difficulty of schedule issue or what makes this happen? I live in Rural Nebraska so I don't have the benefit of knowing any of the teams in terms of watching games or the like.

 

[Hardwoodbeaver]

There has been a great deal of conversation regarding how the State Tournament field is set. I was and am a big supporter of the current system. I have always wanted to see competitive games all the way though the State Tournament and felt that the current system was the best (so far) chance of getting that. I like seeing the best 8 teams make it to Lincoln based upon their entire body of work rather than just a couple games at the right time.

Class A is and will always be an outlier. I don't know why it is so much different than all of the other classes. There are 3 teams that rank outside of the Top 8 in Power Points. One of those is 9th.

Class B has no State Tournament qualifiers outside the Top 8 in Power Points.

Class C-1 has 2 qualifiers outside the Top 8 with one being 9th.

Class C-2 has 1 qualifier outside the Top 8 and that team is 9th.

Class D-1 has no qualifiers outside the Top 8.

Class D-2 has 1 qualifier outside of the Top 8 and again that team is 9th.

I believe that the NSAA Membership that drives these decisions should be commended for a job well done. I don't know anyone to thank, but if I did know them I certainly would do so.

Can someone explain why Class A always seems to be like this? Is is a difficulty of schedule issue or what makes this happen? I live in Rural Nebraska so I don't have the benefit of knowing any of the teams in terms of watching games or the like.

As far as the class A situation is that there is obviously more depth of talent on every team which in a 1 game scenario the best team doesn’t always win.
Unfortunately for us as hoops fans some of the top talent in the state won’t be showcased for all of us to see at the state tournament.
Wish I had an answer of how to get more of the best teams in A down to Lincoln but I don’t

 

[ClkTwr2011]

As far as the class A situation is that there is obviously more depth of talent on every team which in a 1 game scenario the best team doesn’t always win.
Unfortunately for us as hoops fans some of the top talent in the state won’t be showcased for all of us to see at the state tournament.
Wish I had an answer of how to get more of the best teams in A down to Lincoln but I don’t

Ya, I don't know what more can be done. They already do Serpentine Seeding. That should do the trick. Even with a Wildcard in Class A, it still seems they don't get there. Sometimes it is a situation where the talented player doesn't necessarily have a complementing team accompanying them. Jacob Webber in Kearney is a good example. Isaac Traudt from GI a couple years ago is another one.

 

[Hardwoodbeaver]

Ya, I don't know what more can be done. They already do Serpentine Seeding. That should do the trick. Even with a Wildcard in Class A, it still seems they don't get there. Sometimes it is a situation where the talented player doesn't necessarily have a complementing team accompanying them. Jacob Webber in Kearney is a good example. Isaac Traudt from GI a couple years ago is another one.

I hear ya. Especially the trout example. Webber might have been the second best player on his team this year

 

[ClkTwr2011]

I hear ya. Especially the trout example. Webber might have been the second best player on his team this year

Ya, I suppose it depends who you ask. Many recruiting services have Webber as the #1 player in the state. I have no idea.

 

[Hardwoodbeaver]

Ya, I suppose it depends who you ask. Many recruiting services have Webber as the #1 player in the state. I have no idea.

He’s a very skilled shooter

 

[TC53]

There has been a great deal of conversation regarding how the State Tournament field is set. I was and am a big supporter of the current system. I have always wanted to see competitive games all the way though the State Tournament and felt that the current system was the best (so far) chance of getting that. I like seeing the best 8 teams make it to Lincoln based upon their entire body of work rather than just a couple games at the right time.

Class A is and will always be an outlier. I don't know why it is so much different than all of the other classes. There are 3 teams that rank outside of the Top 8 in Power Points. One of those is 9th.

Class B has no State Tournament qualifiers outside the Top 8 in Power Points.

Class C-1 has 2 qualifiers outside the Top 8 with one being 9th.

Class C-2 has 1 qualifier outside the Top 8 and that team is 9th.

Class D-1 has no qualifiers outside the Top 8.

Class D-2 has 1 qualifier outside of the Top 8 and again that team is 9th.

I believe that the NSAA Membership that drives these decisions should be commended for a job well done. I don't know anyone to thank, but if I did know them I certainly would do so.

Can someone explain why Class A always seems to be like this? Is is a difficulty of schedule issue or what makes this happen? I live in Rural Nebraska so I don't have the benefit of knowing any of the teams in terms of watching games or the like.

The other thing to ask is how does the NSAA power formula get class A so wrong that these 'best teams' can't even win seeded home games to get to state? And, if the formula is so bad in Class A, why is home court and seeding enough of an advantage in the other classes to send the formula teams to state despite its deficiencies at identifying the best teams?

 

[ClkTwr2011]

The other thing to ask is how does the NSAA power formula get class A so wrong that these 'best teams' can't even win seeded home games to get to state? And, if the formula is so bad in Class A, why is home court and seeding enough of an advantage in the other classes to send the formula teams to state despite its deficiencies at identifying the best teams?

Great Response. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to your question. Why does it seem to work in lower classes but doesn't work in Class A?

The only real difference is that Class A doesn't use the Sub District/District format.