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High School Shot Clock

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East Husker Conference Semifinals = Every reason to consider a shot clock in high school basketball.

Two games where all 4 teams scored less than 40 points and possessions lasting a minute plus were not unusual.

Not a fan of basketball circa 1950.
 
East Husker Conference Semifinals = Every reason to consider a shot clock in high school basketball.

Two games where all 4 teams scored less than 40 points and possessions lasting a minute plus were not unusual.

Not a fan of basketball circa 1950.

Unfortunatly that's how you know post season basketball is getting close.
 
East Husker Conference Semifinals = Every reason to consider a shot clock in high school basketball.

Two games where all 4 teams scored less than 40 points and possessions lasting a minute plus were not unusual.

Not a fan of basketball circa 1950.

I agree with you. I believe it was last year that Jon Dolliver said the shot clock will not be used in Nebraska until the National Federation adopts it. Hopefully the National Federation adopts it sooner than later. Teams scoring less than 40 points is a snooze fest.
 
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I agree with you. I believe it was last year that Jon Dolliver said the shot clock will not be used in Nebraska until the National Federation adopts it. Hopefully the National Federation adopts it sooner than later. Teams scoring less than 40 points is a snooze fest.

I think it'll come eventually nationwide (8 states currently use it). Cost is going to be the biggest prohibitive factor.
 
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My 2 cents. I'd much rather see more 75-71 games but:
1. Coaches are emphasizing defense more. It seems it's more important
to not let the other team score than actually outscoring the other team.
2. The game is more physical and freedom of movement is less than before.
3. More offenses are predicated on dribble-drives into traffic and kick-outs for 3's. Fun to
watch but both are rather low-percentage. No one can hit the 12 to 15-foot elbow jumper
because it's not practiced or coached.

In theory, the shot clock is a good idea. The cost plus finding someone smart enough
to run it (considering many schools don't have anybody very competent to run the
scoreboard). And, will it make the game better? It's possible those 38-35 games will
still be 38-35, only with more desperation shots at the end of the shot clock.
 
My 2 cents. I'd much rather see more 75-71 games but:
1. Coaches are emphasizing defense more. It seems it's more important
to not let the other team score than actually outscoring the other team.
2. The game is more physical and freedom of movement is less than before.
3. More offenses are predicated on dribble-drives into traffic and kick-outs for 3's. Fun to
watch but both are rather low-percentage. No one can hit the 12 to 15-foot elbow jumper
because it's not practiced or coached.

In theory, the shot clock is a good idea. The cost plus finding someone smart enough
to run it (considering many schools don't have anybody very competent to run the
scoreboard). And, will it make the game better? It's possible those 38-35 games will
still be 38-35, only with more desperation shots at the end of the shot clock.
110% agree. I used to think it was a good idea, but I really don't think it will help.
 
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I also doubt it is the answer to the problems people have with nebpreps basketball. I think the level of physicality allowed along with increased strength and emphasis on defense are more the culprits. I was out west for a game this week. It used to be (80s, 90s) that the farther west you went in Nebraska the closer the game was called. That's not the case anymore. Every trip west I've made, the basketball has be as physical or more than back east.

All that said, it would be interesting to watch a trial of shot clock high school basketball. Maybe in hall-of-fame game type exhibitions? I know Columbus High has shot clocks. Any other high school install them in new gyms?
 
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the shot clock isn't going to make the players better, basketball in general is poor with lack of fundementals and such, all the shot clock will do is have teams jacking up shots so they don't get a violation. plus it's hard enough to find people to run the clock and know the rules and now throw in a shot clock and the who gym will be confused as to what a violation is and isn't. this will not help the game get better, in fact it will make it worse.
 
I also doubt it is the answer to the problems people have with nebpreps basketball. I think the level of physicality allowed along with increased strength and emphasis on defense are more the culprits. I was out west for a game this week. It used to be (80s, 90s) that the farther west you went in Nebraska the closer the game was called. That's not the case anymore. Every trip west I've made, the basketball has be as physical or more than back east.

All that said, it would be interesting to watch a trial of shot clock high school basketball. Maybe in hall-of-fame game type exhibitions? I know Columbus High has shot clocks. Any other high school install them in new gyms?

the shot clock isn't going to make the players better, basketball in general is poor with lack of fundementals and such, all the shot clock will do is have teams jacking up shots so they don't get a violation. plus it's hard enough to find people to run the clock and know the rules and now throw in a shot clock and the who gym will be confused as to what a violation is and isn't. this will not help the game get better, in fact it will make it worse.

I agree with both of these posts. The game is way to physical anymore. Coaches are putting more of an emphasis on defense, but I also think some coaches take the air out of the ball and play slow down on offense to try and keep the scoring down as well. There is a lot of boring basketball anymore in my opinion.
 
Is the shot clock really the answer? Go and look at both the boys and girls team scoring averages on the NSAA site. There are few/none of the highest scoring teams from the last 15-20 years.
Allegedly, all our hoops players that play AAU, and play all summer makes them better basketball players. The statistics would say this is not true. Yes, the physicality of the game has changed, but I believe the drive & kick, and isolation basketball has led to the boring basketball that is being played, and I really don't know if the players are better overall. Yes, the top 4-5 kids in a given year are FREAKS and are better players, but overall team play is not good.

I don't think giving a team 30-40 seconds to shoot will change a thing IMO.
 
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I agree with the last few posts...I really don't think it will help and will force more wild shots at the end of the shot clock. Finding people willing and qualified to run it is also an issue.

But before we consider it too much, I'd like to see someone gather some hard data that really lists how many possessions last longer that 30-35 seconds in Nebraska HS basketball. Yes, I know there are a few at the end of each half that might go 45 seconds or so, but how many other possessions go anywhere near that long?
 
I agree with the last few posts...I really don't think it will help and will force more wild shots at the end of the shot clock. Finding people willing and qualified to run it is also an issue.

But before we consider it too much, I'd like to see someone gather some hard data that really lists how many possessions last longer that 30-35 seconds in Nebraska HS basketball. Yes, I know there are a few at the end of each half that might go 45 seconds or so, but how many other possessions go anywhere near that long?

I doubt that anyone even tracks that statistic.
 
East Husker Conference Semifinals = Every reason to consider a shot clock in high school basketball.

Two games where all 4 teams scored less than 40 points and possessions lasting a minute plus were not unusual.

Not a fan of basketball circa 1950.

In this specific instance (EHC semis) what you call "basketball circa 1950" was actually just coaching strategy in the case of LVSS. LVSS averaged 49 points a game before Friday. BRLD averaged 68. LVSS is very deliberate, works the ball and plays a very defensive game. They have only given up over 51 points one time all year. They don't want to run with BRLD and don't have the athletes to match what BRLD (no one does).

As far as NBC/HLHF those two teams are both really good, well coached teams. They have already played each other once this year and several times in the last two years. Both in state finals last year. Both teams had to work for every point they got. HLHF plays a lot of 1-3-1 and with their length it is hard to get the ball near the rim.

Four really good teams and in once case, a huge contrast in style. I like points as much as the next guy, but when you get good coaches who prepare and teach kids how to play defense, points are hard to come by whether there is a shot clock or not.
 
In this specific instance (EHC semis) what you call "basketball circa 1950" was actually just coaching strategy in the case of LVSS. LVSS averaged 49 points a game before Friday. BRLD averaged 68. LVSS is very deliberate, works the ball and plays a very defensive game. They have only given up over 51 points one time all year. They don't want to run with BRLD and don't have the athletes to match what BRLD (no one does).

As far as NBC/HLHF those two teams are both really good, well coached teams. They have already played each other once this year and several times in the last two years. Both in state finals last year. Both teams had to work for every point they got. HLHF plays a lot of 1-3-1 and with their length it is hard to get the ball near the rim.

Four really good teams and in once case, a huge contrast in style. I like points as much as the next guy, but when you get good coaches who prepare and teach kids how to play defense, points are hard to come by whether there is a shot clock or not.
Great post. Trust me, BRLD was more frustrated than any fan that they couldn't run. It was the only way LVSS was going to keep the game close and it almost worked. It will be interesting to see how the rematch goes this Friday, especially since BRLD is playing Hastings the next day.
 
This Texas vs Baylor game could really use a shot clock...oh, wait, nevermind...
 
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As someone who has watched, read, laughed, and yelled at the computer (like most of you), I've been in these threads since late 2004 when football and trash talking between players and schools was set to become an NSAA sanctioned event--only with better fans and officiating. However, it's only until now, and the issue with the shot clock in high school basketball that has sparked interest (again!) that I must create an account and actually write a post.

As someone who has been a head basketball coach at the high school level and currently coaches at the collegiate level, a shot clock is absolutely necessary. The arguments that "the game is too physical" and "coaches are emphasizing defense more" is the ABSOLUTE argument needed in FAVOR of the shot clock. Reward the team for playing good defense with a shot clock violation or a rushed shot. Reward the team that is more physical in the paint or teams that can guard out front without hand-checking or fouling. Reward the team that plays great team defense. (The argument that if a team is playing great defense, they'll continue that through the entire possession is unwarranted. Offense has the advantage--especially in late-game situations.) Also, to look back at PAST games and try to assimilate or estimate the outcomes of current and future games is like saying a DRAW 4 card is coming up in the deck of UNO because it was played three hands ago--no future outcome can be predicted with accuracy.
When the 3-point line was adopted in the late 80's (in Nebraska), there were many people against it; however, Wahoo's point total during their championship run went from 88.1 to nearly 92 points a game. Over the course of a season, a lot of extra points were made. And, cost was one of the benefactors. Sure, a gym had to be stripped, re-striped, and refinished, but many gyms were too small for the corner shot--and money was an issue when re-configuring gym space and seating. The shot clock will be an additional cost to the school, a person hitting a reset button will be an additional cost, but the value of possessions and overall game play will be well worth it. Many district and state games end with one team stalling out--what if a defensive team was rewarded for the clock and great defensive play? Implementing a shot clock will make coaches and players better and give fans something to root for at the end of games. Well-coached teams will be taught how to get a good shot within the limits of a shot clock. Poorly-coached teams will have to learn how to adjust.

The argument that a team doesn't take the entire 30 seconds to shoot a shot is invalid--applying that notion to all teams is irresponsible. Possessions will increase, players will adjust and become more efficient offensively as well as defensively.

Your team is down two points in the district final. They've fought hard all game long, but they're unfortunate to not get final possession of the game--unless they foul. What if it was the same scenario, but there were 35 seconds left on the game clock? The opponent gets a full possession. Your team plays great defense. The shot clock is winding down, the opponent takes a bad shot; your team gets the rebound. Now, they have at least 5 seconds to tie or win. With no shot clock, you're forced to foul, hope they miss. (If they make both, you're down two possessions.) This way, defense, rebounding, and coaching all play a part in the win--not just stall out and win the game.

The NFHS will eventually adopt the shot clock. It was a close vote the last couple years. But ultimately, in the years to come, the three point line, shot clock, and "flopping" issues will open the door for something else we'll all be on here talking about. I enjoy each of your responses and the camaraderie and affinity we all share for the love of student-athletes and the betterment of high school sports.
 
As someone who has watched, read, laughed, and yelled at the computer (like most of you), I've been in these threads since late 2004 when football and trash talking between players and schools was set to become an NSAA sanctioned event--only with better fans and officiating. However, it's only until now, and the issue with the shot clock in high school basketball that has sparked interest (again!) that I must create an account and actually write a post.

As someone who has been a head basketball coach at the high school level and currently coaches at the collegiate level, a shot clock is absolutely necessary. The arguments that "the game is too physical" and "coaches are emphasizing defense more" is the ABSOLUTE argument needed in FAVOR of the shot clock. Reward the team for playing good defense with a shot clock violation or a rushed shot. Reward the team that is more physical in the paint or teams that can guard out front without hand-checking or fouling. Reward the team that plays great team defense. (The argument that if a team is playing great defense, they'll continue that through the entire possession is unwarranted. Offense has the advantage--especially in late-game situations.) Also, to look back at PAST games and try to assimilate or estimate the outcomes of current and future games is like saying a DRAW 4 card is coming up in the deck of UNO because it was played three hands ago--no future outcome can be predicted with accuracy.
When the 3-point line was adopted in the late 80's (in Nebraska), there were many people against it; however, Wahoo's point total during their championship run went from 88.1 to nearly 92 points a game. Over the course of a season, a lot of extra points were made. And, cost was one of the benefactors. Sure, a gym had to be stripped, re-striped, and refinished, but many gyms were too small for the corner shot--and money was an issue when re-configuring gym space and seating. The shot clock will be an additional cost to the school, a person hitting a reset button will be an additional cost, but the value of possessions and overall game play will be well worth it. Many district and state games end with one team stalling out--what if a defensive team was rewarded for the clock and great defensive play? Implementing a shot clock will make coaches and players better and give fans something to root for at the end of games. Well-coached teams will be taught how to get a good shot within the limits of a shot clock. Poorly-coached teams will have to learn how to adjust.

The argument that a team doesn't take the entire 30 seconds to shoot a shot is invalid--applying that notion to all teams is irresponsible. Possessions will increase, players will adjust and become more efficient offensively as well as defensively.

Your team is down two points in the district final. They've fought hard all game long, but they're unfortunate to not get final possession of the game--unless they foul. What if it was the same scenario, but there were 35 seconds left on the game clock? The opponent gets a full possession. Your team plays great defense. The shot clock is winding down, the opponent takes a bad shot; your team gets the rebound. Now, they have at least 5 seconds to tie or win. With no shot clock, you're forced to foul, hope they miss. (If they make both, you're down two possessions.) This way, defense, rebounding, and coaching all play a part in the win--not just stall out and win the game.

The NFHS will eventually adopt the shot clock. It was a close vote the last couple years. But ultimately, in the years to come, the three point line, shot clock, and "flopping" issues will open the door for something else we'll all be on here talking about. I enjoy each of your responses and the camaraderie and affinity we all share for the love of student-athletes and the betterment of high school sports.
Agree with all your points! Maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the posts, but I believe people are complaining about games being scored in the 40s. I don't think a shot clock will increase scoring significantly. Maybe I'm wrong though.... I think it will just end up with bad shots being taken at the end of the 30-40 seconds.
 
I say add the shot clocks to A, and B to just try it out. Most of these schools should be able to afford it since they have a larger budget for there sports teams. I would also have all games have a shot clock during the State Tournament for all classes.
 
I say add the shot clocks to A, and B to just try it out. Most of these schools should be able to afford it since they have a larger budget for there sports teams. I would also have all games have a shot clock during the State Tournament for all classes.
Not trying to attack... but how would that even be fair to C & D teams to play all year without it, then at the most important time of the season have a shot clock? Makes zero sense to put in in at state if you haven't played all year with it.
I don't think a shot clock would help, but if it was implemented, the higher classes would be a good start.
 
Not trying to attack... but how would that even be fair to C & D teams to play all year without it, then at the most important time of the season have a shot clock? Makes zero sense to put in in at state if you haven't played all year with it.
I don't think a shot clock would help, but if it was implemented, the higher classes would be a good start.

That's what South Dakota did.

Largest class......roughly five years later, the next largest class, and then a couple years after that the smallest class adopted it
 
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