Football Projected Class C-2 Playoff Bracket (Oct 17)

[Mavric]

# 1 - Ponca (9-0, 45.67)
#16 - Doniphan-Trumbull (6-3, 40.33)

# 8 - North Platte St. Patrick's (7-2, 42.89)
# 9 - Hartington Cedar Catholic (8-1, 42.78)

# 5 - Lincoln Lutheran (8-1, 43.33)
#12 - Sutton (7-2, 40.89)

# 4 - Valentine (7-2, 43.67)
#13 - Hershey (6-3, 40.67)

# 3 - Arcadia-Loup City (9-0, 44.67)
#14 - Freeman (6-3, 40.56)

# 6 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - St. Paul (6-3, 41.33)

# 7 - Wilber-Clatonia (8-1, 43.11)
#10 - Battle Creek (6-3, 42.33)

# 2 - Centennial (9-0, 45)
#15 - Central City (5-4, 40.44)


FIRST FIVE OUT:
Logan View (6-3, 40.33)
Gibbon (6-3, 40.22)
Palmyra (5-4, 39.78)
Archbishop Bergan (5-4, 39.67)
Yutan (5-4, 39.44)

 

[atlanta_ace]

Mavric -- Love your stuff. Let's say Yutan beats Lincoln Lutheran. That's bad for the Central City, St. Paul loser, correct?

 

[hailvictors2]

If St Paul loses St Paul is out regardless of Yutan-Lutheran outcome. Central City is in regardless of outcome, barring a Centura meltdown to Twin River.

 

[rufuller]

If St Paul loses St Paul is out regardless of Yutan-Lutheran outcome. Central City is in regardless of outcome, barring a Centura meltdown to Twin River.

If Logan View, Gibbon, and Yutan loses, who gets the 16 seed?

 

[hailvictors2]

If Logan View, Gibbon, and Yutan loses, who gets the 16 seed?

Bergan gets 16. If Logan View loses it means BRLD won, which takes them to Divison 2 and Bergan gets 3 extra points for playing them.

 

[Mavric]

Mavric -- Love your stuff. Let's say Yutan beats Lincoln Lutheran. That's bad for the Central City, St. Paul loser, correct?

Here's the bracket with that change:

# 1 - Ponca (9-0, 45.67)
#16 - Doniphan-Trumbull (6-3, 40.33)

# 8 - Hartington Cedar Catholic (8-1, 42.78)
# 9 - Battle Creek (6-3, 42.33)

# 5 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.11)
#12 - Yutan (6-3, 41)

# 4 - Valentine (7-2, 43.67)
#13 - Sutton (7-2, 40.89)

# 3 - Arcadia-Loup City (9-0, 44.67)
#14 - Hershey (6-3, 40.67)

# 6 - Wilber-Clatonia (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - St. Paul (6-3, 41.33)

# 7 - North Platte St. Patrick's (7-2, 42.89)
#10 - Lincoln Lutheran (7-2, 41.78)

# 2 - Centennial (9-0, 45)
#15 - Freeman (6-3, 40.56)


FIRST FIVE OUT:
Logan View (6-3, 40.33)
Central City (5-4, 40.44)
Gibbon (6-3, 40.22)
Palmyra (5-4, 39.78)
Archbishop Bergan (5-4, 39.67)

 

[Mavric]

If Logan View, Gibbon, and Yutan loses, who gets the 16 seed?

Here's what I get with those three losing:

# 1 - Ponca (9-0, 45.67)
#16 - Doniphan-Trumbull (6-3, 40.33)

# 8 - North Platte St. Patrick's (7-2, 42.89)
# 9 - Hartington Cedar Catholic (8-1, 42.78)

# 5 - Lincoln Lutheran (8-1, 43.33)
#12 - Sutton (7-2, 40.89)

# 4 - Valentine (7-2, 43.67)
#13 - Hershey (6-3, 40.67)

# 3 - Arcadia-Loup City (9-0, 44.67)
#14 - Freeman (6-3, 40.56)

# 6 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - St. Paul (6-3, 41.33)

# 7 - Wilber-Clatonia (8-1, 43.11)
#10 - Battle Creek (6-3, 42.33)

# 2 - Centennial (9-0, 45)
#15 - Central City (5-4, 40.44)


FIRST FIVE OUT:
Palmyra (5-4, 39.78)
Archbishop Bergan (5-4, 39.67)
Yutan (5-4, 39.44)
Lutheran High Northeast (5-4, 39.11)
Logan View (5-4, 38.78)

 

[hailvictors2]

Here's the bracket with that change:

# 1 - Ponca (9-0, 45.67)
#16 - Central City (5-4, 40.44)

# 8 - Hartington Cedar Catholic (8-1, 42.78)
# 9 - Battle Creek (6-3, 42.33)

# 5 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.11)
#12 - Yutan (6-3, 41)

# 4 - Valentine (7-2, 43.67)
#13 - Sutton (7-2, 40.89)

# 3 - Arcadia-Loup City (9-0, 44.67)
#14 - Hershey (6-3, 40.67)

# 6 - Wilber-Clatonia (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - St. Paul (6-3, 41.33)

# 7 - North Platte St. Patrick's (7-2, 42.89)
#10 - Lincoln Lutheran (7-2, 41.78)

# 2 - Centennial (9-0, 45)
#15 - Freeman (6-3, 40.56)


FIRST FIVE OUT:
Logan View (6-3, 40.33)
Doniphan-Trumbull (6-3, 40.33)
Gibbon (6-3, 40.22)
Palmyra (5-4, 39.78)
Archbishop Bergan (5-4, 39.67)

DT gets in here as district champion

 

[Mavric]

DT gets in here as district champion

Thanks. Forgot to check for that in this one. I've edited it above.

 

[northeastNebraska]

# 1 - Ponca (9-0, 45.67)
#16 - Doniphan-Trumbull (6-3, 40.33)

# 8 - North Platte St. Patrick's (7-2, 42.89)
# 9 - Hartington Cedar Catholic (8-1, 42.78)

# 5 - Lincoln Lutheran (8-1, 43.33)
#12 - Sutton (7-2, 40.89)

# 4 - Valentine (7-2, 43.67)
#13 - Hershey (6-3, 40.67)

# 3 - Arcadia-Loup City (9-0, 44.67)
#14 - Freeman (6-3, 40.56)

# 6 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - St. Paul (6-3, 41.33)

# 7 - Wilber-Clatonia (8-1, 43.11)
#10 - Battle Creek (6-3, 42.33)

# 2 - Centennial (9-0, 45)
#15 - Central City (5-4, 40.44)


FIRST FIVE OUT:
Logan View (6-3, 40.33)
Gibbon (6-3, 40.22)
Palmyra (5-4, 39.78)
Archbishop Bergan (5-4, 39.67)
Yutan (5-4, 39.44)

Great predictions @Mavric! Could you break this down for me? What would the bracket look like if...

-HCC pulls the upset on Ponca
-Yutan beats Lutheran
-BRLD beats LV
-Central City beats St. Paul

 

[hailvictors2]

Great predictions @Mavric! Could you break this down for me? What would the bracket look like if...

-HCC pulls the upset on Ponca
-Yutan beats Lutheran
-BRLD beats LV
-Central City beats St. Paul

1-Centennial, 9-0, 45.33
16- Gibbon, 6-3, 40.22

9- Battle Creek, 6-3, 42.33
8- Wilber-Clatonia, 8-1, 42.77

5- Oakland-Craig, 7-2, 43.77
12- Yutan, 6-3, 41

13- Sutton, 7-2, 40.88
4- Ponca, 8-1, 44.44


3- Hartington CC, 9-0, 44.66
14- Hershey, 6-3, 40.66

11- Lincoln Lutheran, 7-2, 41.11
6- Valentine, 7-2, 43.66

7- NP St Pats, 7-2, 42.88
10- Central City, 6-3, 42

15- Doniphan-Trumbull, 6-3, 40.33
2- Arcadia-Loup City, 9-0, 45

First Out
Freeman 6-3, 40.22
Bergan 5-4, 40
St Paul 5-4, 39.77
BLRD 5-4, 39.77
Palmyra 5-4, 39.44
Crofton, 5-4, 39.44

 

[northeastNebraska]

1-Centennial, 9-0, 45.33
16- Gibbon, 6-3, 40.22

9- Battle Creek, 6-3, 42.33
8- Wilber-Clatonia, 8-1, 42.77

5- Oakland-Craig, 7-2, 43.77
12- Yutan, 6-3, 41

13- Sutton, 7-2, 40.88
4- Ponca, 8-1, 44.44


3- Hartington CC, 9-0, 44.66
14- Hershey, 6-3, 40.66

11- Lincoln Lutheran, 7-2, 41.11
6- Valentine, 7-2, 43.66

7- NP St Pats, 7-2, 42.88
10- Central City, 6-3, 42

15- Doniphan-Trumbull, 6-3, 40.33
2- Arcadia-Loup City, 9-0, 45

First Out
Freeman 6-3, 40.22
Bergan 5-4, 40
St Paul 5-4, 39.77
BLRD 5-4, 39.77
Palmyra 5-4, 39.44
Crofton, 5-4, 39.44

Thanks @hailvictors2!

 

[nenebskers]

Power points and playoff setup are a croc. If Ponca beats Cedar this week Cedar could potentially enter the playoffs at the #9 seed with their only loss on the road to arguably the best team in the state. Does anyone think Cedar is the 9th best team in the state?

Furthermore, because of the stupid structure we have where the top seed is not always given the home game, Cedar if they were to win their first round game, would host Ponca in the second round even though Ponca just beat them two weeks earlier and were the top overall seed. It baffles me that this playoff structure still exists. I've heard the reasoning before, it gives teams an opportunity to host blah blah blah. It's a ridiculous setup with such an easy and quick solution. Is there any other playoff structure from little league to professional that sends a high seed on the road to play a low seed? Imagine a 6 seed in the NFL playoffs winning the wildcard round game then the next week hosting the Patriots or whoever the top seed is at home!

Also 100% agree, for A, B, and C semifinals should be played on a neatural field.

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

Power points and playoff setup are a croc. If Ponca beats Cedar this week Cedar could potentially enter the playoffs at the #9 seed with their only loss on the road to arguably the best team in the state. Does anyone think Cedar is the 9th best team in the state?

Furthermore, because of the stupid structure we have where the top seed is not always given the home game, Cedar if they were to win their first round game, would host Ponca in the second round even though Ponca just beat them two weeks earlier and were the top overall seed. It baffles me that this playoff structure still exists. I've heard the reasoning before, it gives teams an opportunity to host blah blah blah. It's a ridiculous setup with such an easy and quick solution. Is there any other playoff structure from little league to professional that sends a high seed on the road to play a low seed? Imagine a 6 seed in the NFL playoffs winning the wildcard round game then the next week hosting the Patriots or whoever the top seed is at home!

Also 100% agree, for A, B, and C semifinals should be played on a neatural field.

Out of curiosity, why would you think it's not okay for the lower seed to play at home against a higher seed, then say that it's okay to make a higher seed play a neutral field semifinal game? Those two things seem to be somewhat at odds.

I don't disagree with your resentment toward lower seeds playing home games against the #1 team. It seems like it was more practical when the field was 32 teams and you'd potentially have to play 4 away games in a row before getting to Lincoln. Now that it's 16 teams for most classes, it seems like we could just let the higher seed have the home games throughout.

As much as I'd want to see semis played on a neutral field so more people could watch them and watch them with an actual view of the game, if I was a player/coach on that #1 team I'd be mad I had to go play an away semifinal game when I should be playing it at home.

 

[nenebskers]

Out of curiosity, why would you think it's not okay for the lower seed to play at home against a higher seed, then say that it's okay to make a higher seed play a neutral field semifinal game? Those two things seem to be somewhat at odds.

I don't disagree with your resentment toward lower seeds playing home games against the #1 team. It seems like it was more practical when the field was 32 teams and you'd potentially have to play 4 away games in a row before getting to Lincoln. Now that it's 16 teams for most classes, it seems like we could just let the higher seed have the home games throughout.

As much as I'd want to see semis played on a neutral field so more people could watch them and watch them with an actual view of the game, if I was a player/coach on that #1 team I'd be mad I had to go play an away semifinal game when I should be playing it at home.

A game at a neutral site is not the same as a game on the road. I dont find it contradicting as its not the same thing. Not even close. Neutral site should be for semifinals only, giving both teams fans a better chance to attend and support. If your the last four in the state I think both sides deserve that. I don't think most would be "mad" at having to go play at a nice small college or large high school facility for a semifinal game. I think that is totally understandable. What I would be mad about is going on the road, potentially across the state, to play a lower team on their home field. Lets grow and promote the game in this state.

Football is one of the very few major sports, if the only, that at the high school level post season is played on a home field. I'm ok with that as long as the team that deserves the home field advantage has it. Logistically it has to be that way for most games.

Last year an undefeated and best team in the state has to drive to McCook for a semifinal game? Makes no sense at all. That game should of been played at Elkhorn South, Hastings College, or Grand Island High.

 

[nenebskers]

A game at a neutral site is not the same as a game on the road. I dont find it contradicting as its not the same thing. Not even close. Neutral site should be for semifinals only, giving both teams fans a better chance to attend and support. If your the last four in the state I think both sides deserve that. I don't think most would be "mad" at having to go play at a nice small college or large high school facility for a semifinal game. I think that is totally understandable. What I would be mad about is going on the road, potentially across the state, to play a lower team on their home field. Lets grow and promote the game in this state.

Football is one of the very few major sports, if the only, that at the high school level post season is played on a home field. I'm ok with that as long as the team that deserves the home field advantage has it. Logistically it has to be that way for most games.

Last year an undefeated and best team in the state has to drive to McCook for a semifinal game? Makes no sense at all. That game should of been played at Elkhorn South, Hastings College, or Grand Island High.

2016 playoffs
Omaha North vs Lincoln East at Papio South
Bellevue West vs Creighton Prep at Omaha Central
Elkhorn South vs McCook at Grand Island Senior
Skutt vs Gretna at Millard South
Bishop Neuman vs Kearney Catholic at Aurora
Oneil vs Boystown at Norfolk
Wilber Clatonia vs Yutan at Seward
Crofton vs Battle Creek at Wayne State

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

A game at a neutral site is not the same as a game on the road. I dont find it contradicting as its not the same thing. Not even close. Neutral site should be for semifinals only, giving both teams fans a better chance to attend and support. If your the last four in the state I think both sides deserve that. I don't think most would be "mad" at having to go play at a nice small college or large high school facility for a semifinal game. I think that is totally understandable. What I would be mad about is going on the road, potentially across the state, to play a lower team on their home field. Lets grow and promote the game in this state.

Football is one of the very few major sports, if the only, that at the high school level post season is played on a home field. I'm ok with that as long as the team that deserves the home field advantage has it. Logistically it has to be that way for most games.

Last year an undefeated and best team in the state has to drive to McCook for a semifinal game? Makes no sense at all. That game should of been played at Elkhorn South, Hastings College, or Grand Island High.

A neutral site game is most definitely an away game by definition because it is not at your home field, and that's not even close.

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

I also was at that McCook/Elk. South game. As a fan that was one of the best atmospheres for a game I've been around for a while. Admittedly it was silly that South didn't get the home game, but the point is about the home field advantage that the teams fought for. Would have been 50% more "blah" if it had taken place at Hastings rather than at either team's home field. So as a player I would most certainly be miffed that I lost that home field to go play at a neutral location.

 

[northeastNebraska]

I agree with @nenebskers. The high side shouldn’t have to travel away from home.

Semi-finals should stay the same or at a home site, but the low seed shouldn’t host a higher team imo. Last year McCook had to go to Blair. I get it Blair went on the road to ScoBlo the week before won but still. High seed should always host.

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

I do agree that that high seed should get the home game throughout. And as a fan, it would be far more convenient for neutral site games at colleges. But as a player on a #1 seed, only getting 2 home games, then having to play 2 neutral site games would be a bummer.

 

[nenebskers]

I do agree that that high seed should get the home game throughout. And as a fan, it would be far more convenient for neutral site games at colleges. But as a player on a #1 seed, only getting 2 home games, then having to play 2 neutral site games would be a bummer.

Snuggy, what are you debating? You think higher seed should host the whole way through, is that correct? I think we both agree that the higher seed should host, just differ on the neutral site for semifinals. I feel at the state semifinal game the home field advantage, and travel, should be negated. But if there is an advantage it should go to the better team.

Should we move basketball and volleyball to home sites too? Just curious as to what your thoughts are there.

Other thing that irks me is all these darn early start times. Why play at 7 pm all year then during the playoffs have odd start times? A, B, and C all play on Friday nights so I don't see any reason for early start times unless it's some crazy game like Scottsbluff vs Skutt.

 

[hailvictors2]

I'd love to watch a few semi-final games in one day in the same stadium, but we need to keep in mind that it is about the kids and what is best for them. There is no doubt about it, playing the semi-finals in home stadiums creates a much more intense atmosphere. I think one of the best things about high school football is the passion and community support behind quality teams. That becomes very evident as teams get deeper in the playoffs.

The other issue with playing multiple games in the same stadium on the same day is then you have teams playing at 10:15 in the morning, like the finals. I think most would agree with me, games should be played at a time that is consistent with the regular season. If teams are playing their regular season games at 5:00 or 7:00, their playoff games should be at 5:00 or 7:00. The state championship game being played at 10:15 AM has always been crazy to me. I'd hate to see the semi-finals turn into that, too.

 

[hailvictors2]

Snuggy, what are you debating? You think higher seed should host the whole way through, is that correct? I think we both agree that the higher seed should host, just differ on the neutral site for semifinals. I feel at the state semifinal game the home field advantage, and travel, should be negated. But if there is an advantage it should go to the better team.

Should we move basketball and volleyball to home sites too? Just curious as to what your thoughts are there.

Other thing that irks me is all these darn early start times. Why play at 7 pm all year then during the playoffs have odd start times? A, B, and C all play on Friday nights so I don't see any reason for early start times unless it's some crazy game like Scottsbluff vs Skutt.

This is spot on

 

[teachmehowtosnuggie]

Snuggy, what are you debating? You think higher seed should host the whole way through, is that correct? I think we both agree that the higher seed should host, just differ on the neutral site for semifinals. I feel at the state semifinal game the home field advantage, and travel, should be negated. But if there is an advantage it should go to the better team.

Should we move basketball and volleyball to home sites too? Just curious as to what your thoughts are there.

Other thing that irks me is all these darn early start times. Why play at 7 pm all year then during the playoffs have odd start times? A, B, and C all play on Friday nights so I don't see any reason for early start times unless it's some crazy game like Scottsbluff vs Skutt.

Original question by me was why someone would be adamant that the higher seed should host, but then turn around and take away one of their earned home games by making them play the semis on a neutral field.

Synopsis of my opinion:
-Higher seed should host until the championship.
-As a player, semifinals should stay at home fields because 1) the kids earned the right to have home field advantage, why take it away from them before the finals 2) the atmosphere is better at home sites rather than neutral sites.
-As a fan, it would be convenient to have multiple games at a neutral location, but it would lose the atmosphere and start time issues would be tough, therefore my final answer would be semifinal locations stay at home fields.
-I consider football to be a different animal compared to basketball or volleyball. You can play 3 games in 3 days in those sports so it makes sense to have them all in a neutral location. If the common practice was one basketball game per week, then I do think it would make more sense to play the first two rounds at home sites and only play the championships in Lincoln.

Additional note on the weird start times; remember when we had 32 teams and played the first round on Thursday, then Wednesday, then Monday, then Saturday? Class D is still stuck with a similar schedule, which is unfortunate for the kids.

 

[Mavric]

Updated after Thursday's games:

# 1 - Ponca (9-0, 45.67)
#16 - Doniphan-Trumbull (6-3, 40.33)

# 8 - North Platte St. Patrick's (7-2, 42.89)
# 9 - Hartington Cedar Catholic (8-1, 42.78)

# 5 - Lincoln Lutheran (8-1, 43.33)
#12 - Sutton (7-2, 40.89)

# 4 - Valentine (7-2, 43.67)
#13 - Hershey (6-3, 40.67)

# 3 - Arcadia-Loup City (9-0, 44.67)
#14 - Freeman (6-3, 40.56)

# 6 - Oakland-Craig (8-1, 43.11)
#11 - St. Paul (6-3, 41.33)

# 7 - Wilber-Clatonia (8-1, 43.11)
#10 - Battle Creek (6-3, 42.33)

# 2 - Centennial (9-0, 45)
#15 - Central City (5-4, 40.44)


FIRST FIVE OUT:
Logan View (6-3, 40.33)
Gibbon (6-3, 40.22)
Palmyra (5-4, 39.78)
Archbishop Bergan (5-4, 39.67)
Yutan (5-4, 39.44)

 

[Coach PowerT]

I do think that the higher seed should be hosting. You've earned the right.

However, I think we can all agree that Yutan isn't the 16th (or potentially lower) team in c2. I think they are probably still top 10.

The question becomes how do you keep the system so it's objective rather than getting subjective? We all know that Northeastern football is generally tougher year in and year out compared to other parts of the state. Not always, but most of the time.

How do you justify telling kids in the panhandle that, hey, these guys are just better than you so we're going to give them a higher seed? You can't.

The system works for what it is. If you go 7-2 or better, you will be in...unless you lose your district (ala Linc Lutheran last season). There's not 55 schools in c2 like their used to be so if you are 6-3, you're gunna have a good shot.

 

[Coach PowerT]

Further, I think that there should be extra points earned based off margin of victory but cap it at 35 (same as running clock).

The motivation is already there to get it to 35 because of the running clock so why not earn 2 extra points for a 35+ point victory, and 1 extra point for a 14-34 point victory? 0 points for a 1-13 point vic.

You shouldn't have to worry about hurting feelings because you're already trying to get to 35 for that running clock anyway when it's a top team vs an unfortunate team thats at the bottom of the current year.

A 7-2 team that beats a 6-3 team by 35 is not equal to a 7-2 team beating a 6-3 team by a field goal.

 

[hailvictors2]

The power point system is a tough fix. I think there are a lot of flaws with it, but I don't have the answer to how to make it right, so I won't criticize it. I think adding the 4th level in points was a step in the right direction. If I remember correctly, you used to get the same amount of points for beating a bottom level team that you got for losing to a top level team. Anyone else remember that?

 

[Coach PowerT]

I don't think it was the exact same unless you played a team the next class up.

Old system used to be 38 for a top loss, and 40 for a bottom win.

Unless you lost to a team that was B while playing c1 and that team in B finished 6-2 or better. Then you basically got credit for a win.


50-45-40 for wins

38-33-28 for losses

 

[hailvictors2]

I don't think it was the exact same unless you played a team the next class up.

Old system used to be 38 for a top loss, and 40 for a bottom win.

Unless you lost to a team that was B while playing c1 and that team in B finished 6-2 or better. Then you basically got credit for a win.


50-45-40 for wins

38-33-28 for losses

That's right. That is what it was. But at the time, it wasn't uncommon for a good C1 team whack a bad C2 team and they would both take 40 points for the thing. Hardly seemed worthwhile.

 

[Mavric]

The power point system is a tough fix. I think there are a lot of flaws with it, but I don't have the answer to how to make it right, so I won't criticize it. I think adding the 4th level in points was a step in the right direction. If I remember correctly, you used to get the same amount of points for beating a bottom level team that you got for losing to a top level team. Anyone else remember that?

Yep, an 8-0 C1 team could beat an 0-8 C2 team 100-0 and they would both get 40 points.

The four-division system is a big improvement from the three division system (still used in Class D). Not sure it's prefect but it's pretty live-able. Mainly differentiates between teams with the same record. Mostly only gives preference to a team with a worse record in extreme situations - such as Valentine's pretty tough schedule.

 

[Coach PowerT]

Well I'm a big fan of the bigger difference in a low win as compared to a high loss.

It all but guaranteed that the better records end up with the higher points. Obviously an exception to the rule is when you're getting bonus points from playing schools in a higher class. Like Valentine is getting from Gordon/Rushville and Winner, SD

I'd honestly like to see the bonus points go away. I'm not huge advocate for "fairness" or whatever, but it's not fair in this situation.... school up in the panhandle gets 3 class B schools and the 6 bonus points (not intentionally calling out chadron), finishes with a bubble record and gets in over another team with the same record but doesn't get bonus points because of geography. I think that's wrong.

You have other schools who use it to their advantage and put schools on their wish list sent into the NSAA just to get those bonus points. It's such a huge advantage when its the bubble schools trying to get into the playoffs.

Why wouldn't I want to schedule a C1 bottom feeder so I can get 43 points instead of 41? Or potentially 46? It's actually a really good/smart plan if you do your homework. No one is going out a seeking Norfolk Catholic, they go out looking for a St Paul (before they improved) or a Minden (since they've been down).

Think about it like this C2 school with 120 kids for their classification number plays a C1 with 155. Gets 2 bonus points

The C1 with 155, plays another C1 with 240. Doesn't get 2 bonus points. The number between the C1 schools is bigger....

Again, I think the bonus points need to go away when playing "interclassification" games

 

[nenebskers]

Original question by me was why someone would be adamant that the higher seed should host, but then turn around and take away one of their earned home games by making them play the semis on a neutral field.

Synopsis of my opinion:
-Higher seed should host until the championship.
-As a player, semifinals should stay at home fields because 1) the kids earned the right to have home field advantage, why take it away from them before the finals 2) the atmosphere is better at home sites rather than neutral sites.
-As a fan, it would be convenient to have multiple games at a neutral location, but it would lose the atmosphere and start time issues would be tough, therefore my final answer would be semifinal locations stay at home fields.
-I consider football to be a different animal compared to basketball or volleyball. You can play 3 games in 3 days in those sports so it makes sense to have them all in a neutral location. If the common practice was one basketball game per week, then I do think it would make more sense to play the first two rounds at home sites and only play the championships in Lincoln.

Additional note on the weird start times; remember when we had 32 teams and played the first round on Thursday, then Wednesday, then Monday, then Saturday? Class D is still stuck with a similar schedule, which is unfortunate for the kids.

I feel your combining two different issues into one. Lower seed hosting and semifinals on neutral sites. Oh well.

I'm not advocating for multiple games at one neutral site. Each at their own site.

I'm not referencing state tournament basketball but subdistrics and districts.

Lastly, on the atart times I was only speaking of A, B, and C.

I understand D having early start times but some of those are ridiculous even if they are on a Thursday, Wednesday, or Monday. Some of the D games are between schools that are not crazy distances apart but yet they'll kick off at 5 or 4 pm. Then weeks later those same two schools might match up on the basketball court on a Tuesday or Thursday night and tip off at 8 pm or later. Class D playoffs are just to odd; way too many teams in the field, almost a 1/3 of D1 is ineligible, often unnecessary early start times, etc..

Anywho, good debate!

 

[gokodo]

I personally like the D1/D2 playoff system right now. As a recent former player there’s nothing better than making a deep run in the playoffs. Thursday>Wednesday>Tuesday>Monday>Monday is what makes NE HS football so unique!