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According to this article, "Within the first five minutes of play, the Navigators were up 21-0 after a punt return, a pick six and a fumble recovery for a touchdown."even with a running clock how do you score that many points.
Schuyler got a win last year, too (Arlington).How about Schuyler picking up a win last night!?!.....been a while for the Warriors
That's right...forgot about that oneSchuyler got a win last year, too (Arlington).
I wonder how long it has been since Schuyler had a winning record at any point during the year. 1-0 right now. I know they had some really good teams in the early-mid 2000s.That's right...forgot about that one
....and 1986-7, or weren't you born yet?I wonder how long it has been since Schuyler had a winning record at any point during the year. 1-0 right now. I know they had some really good teams in the early-mid 2000s.
I'd agree with this. It seems like the bad teams are really bad and there are more of them. I'd guess these schools deal with participation issues and year in and year out and can't kid the kids out. I also think there has been more XC teams in our smaller (D) schools added which honestly cuts into the number of available kids for the football teams. Teams with strong tradition and culture get by ok.There have always been weak schools and strong schools in athletics, but do you guys perceive that we are in an era of more haves and have-nots and a much bigger gulf between then. I am really honestly asking. I am 55 years old and have been watching high school athletics pretty closely since 1980 and my answer is "yes". But, I know I am an old man and recognize that sometimes old men have perspective problems. Is this a bigger problem now or just more of the same?
I'd love to keep this separate from the paraochial/public maelstrom because that's been discussed many times. Do you think there is a widening gulf between top and bottom beyond that issue?
I did some checking on the NSAA wildcard archive and found that Schuyler had an 8-1 regular season in the fall of 2008. They lost to McCook in the quarterfinals that year.How about Schuyler picking up a win last night!?!.....been a while for the Warriors
Agree, this is why demographics should be considered in classifications.I know this doesn't solve the Benson participation issue, I'd like to see Class A be capped at 24 teams. I know Elk South has less students than Benson, but move them to the 24th spot and have Benson, Fremont, Beast, Norfolk, Cbus, NP and South Sioux drop down to Class B.
24 OMAHA BENSON 593
25 ELKHORN SOUTH 552
26 FREMONT 548
27 BELLEVUE EAST 544
28 NORFOLK 509
29 COLUMBUS 472
30 NORTH PLATTE 469
31 SOUTH SIOUX CITY 438
They should consolidate. Amirite, @northeastNebraska ? 😁OPS just can't field competitive teams at all these high schools. They have to address it. Its a safety issue first, not to mention a terrible experience for the kids playing at those schools.
I'm not sure that's fair for the actual Class B schools. Why should Benson get a chance to make a run in Class B over a much smaller schools like Crete or York? (I haven't looked, but I'm assuming Crete & York are much smaller than Benson).I know this doesn't solve the Benson participation issue, I'd like to see Class A be capped at 24 teams. I know Elk South has less students than Benson, but move them to the 24th spot and have Benson, Fremont, Beast, Norfolk, Cbus, NP and South Sioux drop down to Class B.
24 OMAHA BENSON 593
25 ELKHORN SOUTH 552
26 FREMONT 548
27 BELLEVUE EAST 544
28 NORFOLK 509
29 COLUMBUS 472
30 NORTH PLATTE 469
31 SOUTH SIOUX CITY 438
They should consider a co-op with Omaha Northwest.They should consolidate. Amirite, @northeastNebraska ? 😁
I'm not sure that's fair for the actual Class B schools. Why should Benson get a chance to make a run in Class B over a much smaller schools like Crete or York? (I haven't looked, but I'm assuming Crete & York are much smaller than Benson).
You're right, though. Something different needs to be done. Maybe have those schools you listed play in a different class like "Class A2"?
Back in the 90s there were a handful of schools that had too large of an enrollment to be eligible for the 8-man state playoffs. Rather than bumping up to play 11-man, they instead stayed 8-man and had their own playoffs called the "Gridiron".
Agreed. What I would like to see for football is...I'm not sure that's fair for the actual Class B schools. Why should Benson get a chance to make a run in Class B over a much smaller schools like Crete or York? (I haven't looked, but I'm assuming Crete & York are much smaller than Benson).
You're right, though. Something different needs to be done. Maybe have those schools you listed play in a different class like "Class A2"?
OMAHA BENSON | 592 |
FREMONT | 548 |
BELLEVUE EAST | 544 |
NORFOLK | 509 |
COLUMBUS | 472 |
NORTH PLATTE | 469 |
SOUTH SIOUX CITY | 438 |
HASTINGS | 438 |
LINCOLN PIUS X | 423 |
RALSTON | 395 |
SCOTTSBLUFF | 382 |
BENNINGTON | 367 |
LEXINGTON | 367 |
ELKHORN NORTH | 356 |
OMAHA BUENA VISTA | 325 |
OMAHA WESTVIEW | 325 |
GRETNA EAST | 300 |
NORRIS | 291 |
WAVERLY | 289 |
OMAHA SKUTT | 281 |
CRETE | 277 |
BLAIR | 263 |
NORTHWEST | 254 |
BEATRICE | 250 |
LINCOLN NORTHWEST | 250 |
LINCOLN STANDING BEAR | 250 |
GERING | 239 |
SCHUYLER | 237 |
SEWARD | 201 |
MT. MICHAEL | 191 |
NEBRASKA CITY | 186 |
PLATTSMOUTH | 184 |
They had a team that year! Had Kyle Emanuel who played at NDSU and in the NFL. They had a stud FB and QB too. QB may have been the Papa kid that played at UNK, but I believe he was a DB in college.I did some checking on the NSAA wildcard archive and found that Schuyler had an 8-1 regular season in the fall of 2008. They lost to McCook in the quarterfinals that year.
I agree. These schools don't have enrollment issues they have participation issues. Get them together to field some numbers.They should consider a co-op with Omaha Northwest.
I don't hate this idea. Be tricky with the 2 year scheduling cycle but probably doable.The only way to make things "fair" is to use a promotion and relegation system similar to European soccer. I know there is a state (Kentucky, maybe) that uses a similar system taking a 3 year average and if a team isn't winning in a class for 3 years, they bump them down and if their 3 year average is winning a bunch of games, they promote them up a class. Eliminates the parochial/private conversation and gives schools that are constantly losing programs a chance to win.
I like this idea.The only way to make things "fair" is to use a promotion and relegation system similar to European soccer. I know there is a state (Kentucky, maybe) that uses a similar system taking a 3 year average and if a team isn't winning in a class for 3 years, they bump them down and if their 3 year average is winning a bunch of games, they promote them up a class. Eliminates the parochial/private conversation and gives schools that are constantly losing programs a chance to win.
I could entertain the idea of losing teams coming down, just not sure I like having winning programs move up. Depends on the situation, but expecting Howells-Dodge, Humphrey St. Francis, Bloomfield, Mullen, etc. to play 11 man with their enrollment isn't ideal.The only way to make things "fair" is to use a promotion and relegation system similar to European soccer. I know there is a state (Kentucky, maybe) that uses a similar system taking a 3 year average and if a team isn't winning in a class for 3 years, they bump them down and if their 3 year average is winning a bunch of games, they promote them up a class. Eliminates the parochial/private conversation and gives schools that are constantly losing programs a chance to win.
They would only have to do it for a year or so....then they would come back down if they weren't winning.I could entertain the idea of losing teams coming down, just not sure I like having winning programs move up. Depends on the situation, but expecting Howells-Dodge, Humphrey St. Francis, Bloomfield, Mullen, etc. to play 11 man with their enrollment isn't ideal.
I don't think you could force teams to move up to 11 man, but all the teams you mentioned are in D2. If a D1 football team is on exemption after winning 8-10 games a year, it might not be a bad idea to have them play up in the class they belong though. In basketball it seems feasible to go to C2 from D1.I could entertain the idea of losing teams coming down, just not sure I like having winning programs move up. Depends on the situation, but expecting Howells-Dodge, Humphrey St. Francis, Bloomfield, Mullen, etc. to play 11 man with their enrollment isn't ideal.
Mike, you make a good point here. The idea isn't to come up with the single exception and shoot down a solution.I don't think you could force teams to move up to 11 man, but all the teams you mentioned are in D2. If a D1 football team is on exemption after winning 8-10 games a year, it might not be a bad idea to have them play up in the class they belong though. In basketball it seems feasible to go to C2 from D1.
Basketball is a totally different discussion. Teams could move up a lot easier in hoops versus football.I don't think you could force teams to move up to 11 man, but all the teams you mentioned are in D2. If a D1 football team is on exemption after winning 8-10 games a year, it might not be a bad idea to have them play up in the class they belong though. In basketball it seems feasible to go to C2 from D1.
Basketball is a totally different discussion. Teams could move up a lot easier in hoops versus footbalI
I agree with you on this completely. My point was that the teams you pointed out could all move up to D1.Basketball is a totally different discussion. Teams could move up a lot easier in hoops versus football.
You say that you agree, but then you say you would like to see Benson, Fremont, Bell East, etc in Class B.Agreed. What I would like to see for football is...
Class A: 24 teams
Class B: 32 teams
Class C: 60 teams
Class B:
OMAHA BENSON 592 FREMONT 548 BELLEVUE EAST 544 NORFOLK 509 COLUMBUS 472 NORTH PLATTE 469 SOUTH SIOUX CITY 438 HASTINGS 438 LINCOLN PIUS X 423 RALSTON 395 SCOTTSBLUFF 382 BENNINGTON 367 LEXINGTON 367 ELKHORN NORTH 356 OMAHA BUENA VISTA 325 OMAHA WESTVIEW 325 GRETNA EAST 300 NORRIS 291 WAVERLY 289 OMAHA SKUTT 281 CRETE 277 BLAIR 263 NORTHWEST 254 BEATRICE 250 LINCOLN NORTHWEST 250 LINCOLN STANDING BEAR 250 GERING 239 SCHUYLER 237 SEWARD 201 MT. MICHAEL 191 NEBRASKA CITY 186 PLATTSMOUTH 184
Sorry I meant to agree with your final point of having a different class or pushing down the bottom of Class A.You say that you agree, but then you say you would like to see Benson, Fremont, Bell East, etc in Class B.
Basically the opposite of what I said & that you said you agreed with.
In the early 2000s they lost at least 20 something games in a row.I wonder how long it has been since Schuyler had a winning record at any point during the year. 1-0 right now. I know they had some really good teams in the early-mid 2000s.