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I think coaches and admins will set some guidelines be responsible adults about it. If “spring ball” comes to fruition, it will be regulated like they do in Texas for a specific amount of time and practices.

As far as full time coaches, I am not 100% certain, but I’m willing to bet that most of those top metro coaches don’t have much of a class load. I don’t see Nebraska being THAT desperate to compete with Texas for elite coaches that we just pay someone $80k-100k just to coach football or basketball. It may get disguised with co-teaching a weights class or some leadership class, but I don’t see a school board approving a full time coach only position anytime soon.

I do agree with TC that you will see bigger metro schools drop football and focus on basketball. At the very least, I think schools like Benson, Omaha Northwest, etc, should look at a mega co-op.
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hailvictors2 said:
I could see us having some basketball only schools. I think Nebraska is a long ways from having stand-alone football positions that come with a liveable salary, health insurance, and benefits.
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which is crazy because schools the same size in Texas, Georgia, Alabama and Florida (to name a few) as A and B schools in Nebraska can WHY cant Nebraska ?
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TC53 said:
In the next ten years in Omaha, you will have a full-time (Texas-style) football coach at one or two suburban schools. You will also have a few city schools become 'basketball-only/no-football schools. Don't see us stopping this with rule changes. Accelerating it, maybe.
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I could see us having some basketball only schools. I think Nebraska is a long ways from having stand-alone football positions that come with a liveable salary, health insurance, and benefits.
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Mr. Irrelevent said:
Yes and no. It's Nebraska and schools still have that 'other duties as assigned' ability. If we get to Texas standards where coaches are only coaches and don't work in the school...and are paid equal or more than teachers just for coaching....then we'd be in crazy times.
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As noted, schools can assign certified staff (teachers) extra-duty positions. They won't do that to people that already serve as extra-duty sponsors. If the head football coach is currently the baseball or track coach and goes to the AD/Principal to resign that position so he can better satisfy his role as head football coach there is no chance the district denies that request. If this proposal passes, spring football (maybe even winter football) becomes part of the job duties of "head football coach". Its now a year round position.
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hailvictors2 said:
If spring ball becomes legal you will see less and less football coaches help out with a spring sport. They will coach football year round.
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Yes and no. It's Nebraska and schools still have that 'other duties as assigned' ability. If we get to Texas standards where coaches are only coaches and don't work in the school...and are paid equal or more than teachers just for coaching....then we'd be in crazy times.
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hailvictors2 said:
The elephant in the room here is Spring Football. If this proposal passes you will see well over 50% of Nebraska schools host "spring ball". I would guess it would be a widely accepted expectation in classes A-B and a majority of C1-C2 among players and coaches (and more likely, ADs and parents) that the coaches host Spring Ball and players participate. I'm all for multi-sport kids, but not in the same season. So kids now have to choose. If they want to play baseball, soccer, golf, or run track than they can't participate in spring football. What you will see is spring participation #s in the NSAA sponsored sports plummet to all-time lows because the males won't participate so they can do spring ball instead.
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Maybe in A/B. The C schools I'm familiar with the track coaches are either head or assistant football coaches so it's not happening there.
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Basketball Scores from Friday (1/10)

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GIRLS

Anselmo-Merna 66, Chambers/Wheeler Central 33
Ansley/Litchfield 35, Twin Loup 28
Arapahoe 71, Medicine Valley 30
Arlington 55, Raymond Central 43
Atkinson West Holt 44, Summerland 30
Aurora 59, Schuyler 18
Axtell 44, Sumner-Eddyville-Miller 41

Bancroft-Rosalie 56, Tekamah-Herman 9
Battle Creek 53, Norfolk Catholic 32
Bayard 53, Potter-Dix 20
Bellevue West 71, Council Bluffs Abe Lincoln (Iowa) 42
Bennington 68, Scottsbluff 32
Bridgeport 45, Chase County 30

Cedar Bluffs 51, Lewiston 29
Central City 49, Arcadia/Loup City 26
Cody-Kilgore 60, Creek Valley 30
Columbus 40, Lincoln Northeast 37
Crete 53, Gering 50

East Butler 49, Palmer 30
Elkhorn North 59, Lincoln Standing Bear 33
Elkhorn Valley 61, Hartington-Newcastle 22
Elm Creek 69, Loomis 36

Falls City Sacred Heart 48, Diller-Odell 32
Fleming (Colorado) 49, South Platte 35
Fullerton 35, Heartland 34

Gordon-Rushville 35, Mitchell 24
Gothenburg 62, McCook 31
Grand Island Central Catholic 60, Kearney Catholic 40
Grand Island Northwest 65, Columbus Lakeview 32

Haxtun (Colorado) 51, Kimball 40
Hay Springs 63, Banner County 12
Hershey 58, Maxwell 30
Hitchcock County 58, Wauneta-Palisade 43
Homer 60, Fremont Bergan 49
Howells-Dodge 41, Archangels Catholic 22
Humboldt-Table Rock-Steinauer 56, Sterling 20
Humphrey/Lindsay Academy 59, Laurel-Concord-Coleridge 56

Kearney 45, Lincoln High 35

Lakota Tech (South Dakota) 65, Alliance 35
Lincoln Christian 71, Hastings St. Cecilia 33
Lincoln North Star 51, Lincoln East 21
Lincoln Southwest 53, Lincoln Southeast 37
Lingle-Ft. Laramie (Wyoming) 48, Hemingford 16

Maywood/Hayes Center 67, Paxton 41
Millard South 65 Omaha North 45
Millard West 51, Omaha Central 42
Minden 71, Valentine 10
Morrill 38, Hyannis 20
Mullen 60, Brady 29

Nebraska City Lourdes 58, Falls City 19
Neligh-Oakdale 52, Plainview 45
Niobrara/Verdigre 41, Osmond 36
Norfolk 58, Omaha Northwest 42
Norris 45, Gretna East 28

Oakland-Craig 58, Stanton 21
O'Neill 55, Boone Central 50
O'Neill St. Mary's 63, Ainsworth 37
Ogallala 71, Cozad 39
Omaha Benson 57, Omaha Buena Vista 48
Omaha Burke 68, Omaha South 33
Omaha Christian 36, Parkview Christian 14
Omaha Skutt 67, Omaha Roncalli 22
Ord 68, Gibbon 26
Osceola 50, Cornerstone Christian 15
Overton 46, Amherst 35

Palmyra 55, Auburn 30
Papillion-LaVista 61, Papillion-LaVista South 39
Perkins County 64, North Platte St. Patrick's 38

Red Cloud 68, Harvard 16
Riverside 41, Shelby/Rising City 35

Sandhills/Thedford 51, Sutherland 19
Sidney 39, Broken Bow 38
Silver Lake 33, Blue Hill 19
Southwest 56, Cambridge 19
Sutton 38, Centennial 33
Syracuse 39, Louisville 38

Thayer Central 43, Superior 32

Wallace 45, Arthur County 39
Walthill 72, Flandreau Indian (South Dakota) 30
Wayne 37, Pierce 35
Wilcox-Hildreth 44, Kenesaw 30
Winnebago 53, Winside 41
Wood River 68, Ravenna 41

Yutan 54, Mead 12
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Basketball Scores from Friday (1/10)

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BOYS

Amherst 52, Overton 49
Anselmo-Merna 54, Chambers/Wheeler Central 39
Arlington 63, Raymond Central 48
Auburn 74, Palmyra 32
Aurora 87, Schuyler 29

Bancroft-Rosalie 71, Tekamah-Herman 50
Boys Town 66, Wahoo Neumann 64 (2OT)
Bridgeport 44, Chase County 42
Broken Bow 73, Sandhills Valley 35

Cambridge 76, Southwest 65
Central City 55, Arcadia/Loup City 33
Cody-Kilgore 61, Creek Valley 41
Council Bluffs Abe Lincoln (Iowa) 77, Bellevue West 70 (2OT)
Crete 62, Gering 22

Diller-Odell 41, Falls City Sacred Heart 40 (OT)

East Butler 73, Palmer 25
Elkhorn North 75, Lincoln Standing Bear 35
Elkhorn Valley 50, Hartington-Newcastle 35
Elm Creek 72, Loomis 70

Fremont Bergan 88, Homer 29
Fullerton 52, Heartland 36

Grand Island 65, Fremont 55
Grand Island Central Catholic 63, Kearney Catholic 29
Grand Island Northwest 67, Columbus Lakeview 57

Hay Springs 75, Banner County 28
Hershey 66, Maxwell 46
Hitchcock County 65, Wauneta-Palisade 23
Howells-Dodge 51, Archangels Catholic 34
Humboldt-Table Rock-Steinauer 46, Sterling 42
Humphrey/Lindsay Academy 61, Laurel-Concord-Coleridge 53

Kearney 78, Lincoln High 71
Kenesaw 67, Wilcox-Hildreth 37
Kimball 70, Haxtun (Colorado) 49

Lewiston 59, Cedar Bluffs 36
Lincoln Christian 74, Hastings St. Cecilia 27
Lincoln North Star 70, Lincoln East 30
Lincoln Northeast 74, Columbus 65
Lincoln Southeast 58, Lincoln Southwest 51
Lingle-Ft. Laramie (Wyoming) 60, Hemingford 26

Maywood/Hayes Center 53, Paxton 50
McCook 59, Gothenburg 56 (OT)
Medicine Valley 64, Arapahoe 37
Millard South 83, Omaha North 68
Minden 58, Valentine 52
Mitchell 75, Gordon-Rushville 31
Morrill 34, Hyannis 26
Mullen 51, Brady 25

Nebraska City Lourdes 53, Falls City 34
Norfolk Catholic 79, Battle Creek 53
Norris 54, Gretna East 51
North Platte St. Patrick's 56, Perkins County 51

O'Neill 51, Boone Central 46
O'Neill St. Mary's 75, Ainsworth 40
Oakland-Craig 73, Stanton 40
Ogallala 65, Cozad 63
Omaha Buena Vista 52, Omaha Benson 48
Omaha Burke 70, Omaha South 64
Omaha Central 53, Millard West 48
Omaha Northwest 54, Norfolk 47
Omaha Skutt 71, Omaha Roncalli 30
Omaha Westside 64, Omaha Creighton Prep 60 (OT)
Omaha Westview 94, Omaha Bryan 38
Ord 60, Gibbon 33
Osceola 59, Cornerstone Christian 44

Papillion-LaVista 62, Papillion-LaVista South 52
Parkview Christian 62, Omaha Christian 51
Pender 57, Wynot 46
Plainview 83, Neligh-Oakdale 17
Platteview 48, Elkhorn Mt. Michael 42
Potter-Dix 63, Bayard 52

Randolph 59, Niobrara/Verdigre 40
Red Cloud 62, Harvard 15
Riverside 61, Shelby/Rising City 38

Sandhills/Thedford 42, Sutherland 25
Scottsbluff 63, Bennington 62
Silver Lake 37, Blue Hill 31
South Platte 56, Fleming (Colorado) 54
Summerland 43, Atkinson West Holt 40
Sumner-Eddyville-Miller 52, Axtell 39
Sutton 59, Centennial 45
Syracuse 62, Louisville 60

Thayer Central 48, Superior 23
Twin Loup 65, Ansley/Litchfield 56 (OT)

Wallace 52, Arthur County 30
Walthill 74, Flandreau Indian (South Dakota) 48
Winnebago 70, Winside 24
Wood River 76, Ravenna 51

Yutan 54, Mead 49
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The elephant in the room here is Spring Football. If this proposal passes you will see well over 50% of Nebraska schools host "spring ball". I would guess it would be a widely accepted expectation in classes A-B and a majority of C1-C2 among players and coaches (and more likely, ADs and parents) that the coaches host Spring Ball and players participate. I'm all for multi-sport kids, but not in the same season. So kids now have to choose. If they want to play baseball, soccer, golf, or run track than they can't participate in spring football. What you will see is spring participation #s in the NSAA sponsored sports plummet to all-time lows because the males won't participate so they can do spring ball instead.
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Mr. Irrelevent said:
News flash...plenty of small school coaches are already doing this. Like literally the basketball coach (any multisport coach) is also putting in time working with the baseball/track boys/girls (other sport coached) during each sport season...only right now there are restrictions on how many kids he/she can work with at a time so they spend even more time working with several groups.

Schools that push for multi-sport kids will continue to do so, because of their expectations, coaches, community, and culture. Kids already have access to things in some places that others don't. Don't kids within an hour or two of Omaha and Lincoln readily have more access to club activities than others from farther away? Yet schools like Wahoo, Neumann, Malcolm, Milford, Norris (not small), Waverly (not small), Yutan, DC West...all have had success in different sports.

Kids that don't play sports or specialize in one sport today have many reasons. One of the biggest...that we act like is a secret....Sports are hard....and many kids don't like and can't handle hard in today's world.

One thing this may put small towns at a disadvantage of for sure is time and facilities. If a school has 2 gyms....there's only so much time that can be spent on each sport...and often in these communities, the same facilities for school sports are used for youth sports programs. Bigger schools often have more gym space...so are they at an advantage....that's up to you to decide as your own opinion.
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I'm well aware that coaches are pulling double duty already. Thing is, right now it is a few workouts a week (maybe Tuesday and Thursday). What people like you fail to understand is that when limitations are lifted the expectation will become that out of season training be offered daily. There isn't a single positive that comes from this. Kids will play the same sport year-round, which study after study has shown is not what is best of adolescent development. Kids that are currently in season for basketball will feel inclined to attend baseball or track workouts after their basketball practice. This is all a way of creating more and more single sport specialists. We are adding more things into a day but can't change the amount of time we have to fit those things. If this passes a kids schedule is going to look something like this on a daily basis.

Winter Schedule
5:15-6:00 AM- Rise and shine, eat breakfast, travel to school
6:00-7:15 AM- Before school baseball workout. Must be before school to find gym space
7:15 AM-8:00 AM- Shower and get ready for school in the locker room
8:00 AM-3:45 PM- School
4:00 PM- 6:00 PM- Winter practice
6:00 PM-7:00 PM- Travel home, eat dinner
7:00PM-11:00PM- Homework and socialization
That's a 14 hour day without homework, 15-16 hour day with homework. Everyday. All Winter. And people think thats a good thing. Originally I said that's lunacy, but that's probably not a fair thing to say. I just don't agree with that mindset.
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hailvictors2 said:
Firm disagree. What about the coach that is already coaching something in the fall (Football), then is also the track, baseball, or soccer coach in the spring. He now has to run 2 a days (football followed by his spring sport) daily just to keep up with neighboring districts. Its insanity.
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News flash...plenty of small school coaches are already doing this. Like literally the basketball coach (any multisport coach) is also putting in time working with the baseball/track boys/girls (other sport coached) during each sport season...only right now there are restrictions on how many kids he/she can work with at a time so they spend even more time working with several groups.

Schools that push for multi-sport kids will continue to do so, because of their expectations, coaches, community, and culture. Kids already have access to things in some places that others don't. Don't kids within an hour or two of Omaha and Lincoln readily have more access to club activities than others from farther away? Yet schools like Wahoo, Neumann, Malcolm, Milford, Norris (not small), Waverly (not small), Yutan, DC West...all have had success in different sports.

Kids that don't play sports or specialize in one sport today have many reasons. One of the biggest...that we act like is a secret....Sports are hard....and many kids don't like and can't handle hard in today's world.

One thing this may put small towns at a disadvantage of for sure is time and facilities. If a school has 2 gyms....there's only so much time that can be spent on each sport...and often in these communities, the same facilities for school sports are used for youth sports programs. Bigger schools often have more gym space...so are they at an advantage....that's up to you to decide as your own opinion.
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hailvictors2 said:
Firm disagree. What about the coach that is already coaching something in the fall (Football), then is also the track, baseball, or soccer coach in the spring. He now has to run 2 a days (football followed by his spring sport) daily just to keep up with neighboring districts. Its insanity.
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the entire thing has become insanity. Heck they are voting on an A/B classification for Football. whats the criteria you ask, well NONE you just tell your story and the group decides if you get to join. Its all insane and you get to be in a class with about a total of 16 schools and play for state title
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just_average32 said:
I think it will help high school coaches manage their time more efficiently by working with all the athletes at once, and therefor freeing up time and space for other activities to work as well. Smaller schools will still do a good job of sharing athletes. This rule is for larger schools with 1 sport athletes to work year-round with them, but in a more efficient way. Instead of a coach having various days and slots for cage work with guys, he can schedule a an hour or two with less days and probably get more done. honestly, Honestly, this makes it easier for the coach
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Firm disagree. What about the coach that is already coaching something in the fall (Football), then is also the track, baseball, or soccer coach in the spring. He now has to run 2 a days (football followed by his spring sport) daily just to keep up with neighboring districts. Its insanity.
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I think it will help high school coaches manage their time more efficiently by working with all the athletes at once, and therefor freeing up time and space for other activities to work as well. Smaller schools will still do a good job of sharing athletes. This rule is for larger schools with 1 sport athletes to work year-round with them, but in a more efficient way. Instead of a coach having various days and slots for cage work with guys, he can schedule a an hour or two with less days and probably get more done. honestly, Honestly, this makes it easier for the coach
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hailvictors2 said:
And thus a competitive disadvantage becomes present, because the (insert sport name here) program at High School A is not permitted to practice in the off-season so their kids continue to play other sports....but the same sport at High School B is practicing because they don't care about multi-sport athletes. So now HS A is an entire offseason behind HS B when they play in the regular season. Its a stupid proposal. A vote for it is a vote against multi-sport athletes.
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Very good point I agree
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highschoolfootballnut said:
You control in by allowing or not allowing workouts by your coaching staff You control your coaching staff during other seasons
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And thus a competitive disadvantage becomes present, because the (insert sport name here) program at High School A is not permitted to practice in the off-season so their kids continue to play other sports....but the same sport at High School B is practicing because they don't care about multi-sport athletes. So now HS A is an entire offseason behind HS B when they play in the regular season. Its a stupid proposal. A vote for it is a vote against multi-sport athletes.
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hailvictors2 said:
This is inaccurate. Doesn't matter what the admin or coaches say. If a kid loves baseball and the baseball coach is offering fall workouts you can lock it that the kid isn't going to play football. This isn't rocket science. This is common sense. AD and principal can tell the kid 100 times he should play football, they can't force him to. And he won't if he has an opportunity to play the sport he likes better through the school during the same season. The baseball coach isn't at fault here, either. He is trying to build his program.
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You control in by allowing or not allowing workouts by your coaching staff You control your coaching staff during other seasons
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highschoolfootballnut said:
not so, in small schools the object of all coaches is to promote three sport athletes and this can easily be supported by all coaches and upheld by the Administration, as what they will allow
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This is inaccurate. Doesn't matter what the admin or coaches say. If a kid loves baseball and the baseball coach is offering fall workouts you can lock it that the kid isn't going to play football. This isn't rocket science. This is common sense. AD and principal can tell the kid 100 times he should play football, they can't force him to. And he won't if he has an opportunity to play the sport he likes better through the school during the same season. The baseball coach isn't at fault here, either. He is trying to build his program.
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hailvictors2 said:
If #2 passes it will be catastrophic to small school roster sizes. You will see a significant increase in one sport athletes/sport specialization.
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not so, in small schools the object of all coaches is to promote three sport athletes and this can easily be supported by all coaches and upheld by the Administration, as what they will allow
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TC53 said:
So, am I right that there are proposals to do both of these things that will be decided soon?
1) 180-day transfer sit-out if not accompanied by domicile change
2) removal of restrictions on out-of-season/during-school-year practice sessions (like only 4 basketball players at a time, etc...)

True? How do we think this is going to come out?
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If #2 passes it will be catastrophic to small school roster sizes. You will see a significant increase in one sport athletes/sport specialization.
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TC53 said:
So, am I right that there are proposals to do both of these things that will be decided soon?
1) 180-day transfer sit-out if not accompanied by domicile change
2) removal of restrictions on out-of-season/during-school-year practice sessions (like only 4 basketball players at a time, etc...)

True? How do we think this is going to come out?
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One transfers are out of hand Two Trying to keep kids with coaches and not so much club sports so we dont lose high school sports
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