A Guess at B-C1-C2 Classifications

[hailvictors2]

Class B guess. Probably 5 districts of 5 teams. It will be interesting to see which team the NSAA takes west to go with Scottsbluff, Gering, McCook, and Lexington. It will either be Hastings or Northwest (Grand Island). That leaves the other with York, Seward, Crete, Beatrice, Lincoln Northwest, Lincoln Standing Bear, Norris, Pius, and Waverly to make two more districts of 5. Then I assume Bennington, Blair, Elkhorn, Elkhorn North, and Skutt in a district. Gretna, Gretna East, Ralston, Platteview, and Plattsmouth in a district.

Ralston	411
Elkhorn North	399
Gretna East	394
Lincoln Northwest	393
Lincoln Pius X	392
Scottsbluff	392
Bennington	391
Hastings	387
Lexington	382
Gretna	344
Elkhorn	304
Norris	298
Waverly	280
Blair	275
Crete	269
Beatrice	259
Omaha Skutt Catholic	253
Northwest (Grand Island)	221
Gering	197
Seward	188
Plattsmouth	183
York	179
McCook	178
Lincoln Standing Bear	172
Platteview	164

Class C-1 guess. 35 teams + the 4 ineligible schools (Schuyler, Alliance, Mt Michael, Nebraska City) Tiebreaker with Arlington, O'Neill, and Wilber-Clatonia....two of the three in C1, the third in C2. I think Wilber is the lowest of the 3 on tiebreaker. I assume they stay with 7 districts. That would be 4 districts of 6 teams and 3 districts of 5 teams.

Schuyler	259
Alliance	165
Mount Michael Benedictine	162
Nebraska City	162
Omaha Gross Catholic	154
Aurora	143
Douglas County West	140
Wahoo	135
Wayne	135
Omaha Brownell Talbot / Cornerstone Christ. / Quest Aca.	134 (58+49+27)
Omaha Roncalli Catholic	134
Holdrege	130
Columbus Lakeview	125
Sidney	123
Ashland-Greenwood	117
Adams Central	110
Fairbury	109
Cozad	107
Omaha Concordia	106
Fort Calhoun	103
Boys Town	100
Auburn	97
Central City	97
Lincoln Christian	96
Syracuse	94
Chase County	93
Broken Bow	92
Chadron	92
Milford	92
Ogallala	92
Scotus Central Catholic (Columbus)	92
Logan View / Scribner-Snyder	91 (69+22)
Falls City	89
Pierce	88
Gothenburg	92 (87+5)
Louisville	87
Minden	87
Arlington	86
ONeill	86

C2 with 35 teams. I assume they stay with 7 districts. That would be 5 teams in each. Still waiting on Superior to declare 8-man or 11-man. If they go 11-man it would bring them into C2 and we would have 1 6 team district there. They were 8-man last cycle, but 11-man the cycle before that and their current enrollment number is 54, which is 11-man. I think they would have the waiver open because their mid-cycle number last year was 47, so they would be in the waiver period if I understand that correctly. Anyone with a better understanding of how that works please feel free to chime in.

Wilber-Clatonia	86
Conestoga	84
St. Paul	84
Kearney Catholic	82
Raymond Central	81
West Point-Beemer	81
Battle Creek	79
Palmyra	79
Bishop Neumann	76
Boone Central	72
Lincoln Lutheran	71
Mitchell	70
Malcolm	69
Doniphan-Trumbull	68
Gibbon	68
Ord	67
Centura	66
North Bend Central	64
Fillmore Central	62
Tekamah-Herman	62
Valentine	62
Grand Island Central Catholic	60
Wood River	60
Hershey	59
Ponca	57
Amherst	55
Cedar Catholic (Hartington)	54
Norfolk Catholic	54
Gordon-Rushville	51
Cross County	50
Yutan	49
Oakland-Craig	48
Aquinas Catholic	46
Archbishop Bergan	45
Hastings St. Cecilia	38

 

[northeastNebraska]

Thanks for this.

Is the B/C1 cut number 160? Or has that been determined?

 

[Club_Skers]

Omaha Gross opted up to B last cycle. They don't have a declaration in yet on the NSAA page. Any idea if they would opt up again?

 

[hailvictors2]

Thanks for this.

Is the B/C1 cut number 160? Or has that been determined?

Yes, 160 and up are B. 159 and down are C1/C2

 

[hailvictors2]

Omaha Gross opted up to B last cycle. They don't have a declaration in yet on the NSAA page. Any idea if they would opt up again?

I am very confident Gross will be C1.

 

[MT_Headed]

Omaha Gross opted up to B last cycle. They don't have a declaration in yet on the NSAA page. Any idea if they would opt up again?

They won"t

 

[JAW20]

Okay, complete shot in the dark based off the map.. Tough to decide around metro? Suggested changes?

District 1:
Chadron, Alliance, Sidney, Ogallala, Chase County (5)

District 2:
Broken Bow, Gothenburg, Cozad, Holdrege, Minden (5)

District 3:
O'Neill, Wayne, Pierce, Columbus Lakeview, Logan View/Scribner Snyder (5)

District 4:
Adam Central, Aurora, Central City, Scotus, Schuyler, Milford (6)

District 5:
Fairbury, Falls City, Auburn, Neb City, Syracuse, Lincoln Christian (6)

District 6:
Louisville, Ashland Greenwood, Wahoo, Omaha Gross, Boys Town, OBT/Corner/Quest (6)

District 7:
Roncalli, Mt Michael, Omaha Concordia, DC West, Arlington, Ft Calhoun (6)

 

[nng01]

Gross 1000% will opt up to Class B, they will not play Class C football.

 

[MT_Headed]

Okay, complete shot in the dark based off the map.. Tough to decide around metro? Suggested changes?

District 1:
Chadron, Alliance, Sidney, Ogallala, Chase County (5)

District 2:
Broken Bow, Gothenburg, Cozad, Holdrege, Minden (5)

District 3:
O'Neill, Wayne, Pierce, Columbus Lakeview, Logan View/Scribner Snyder (5)

District 4:
Adam Central, Aurora, Central City, Scotus, Schuyler, Milford (6)

District 5:
Fairbury, Falls City, Auburn, Neb City, Syracuse, Lincoln Christian (6)

District 6:
Louisville, Ashland Greenwood, Wahoo, Omaha Gross, Boys Town, OBT/Corner/Quest (6)

District 7:
Roncalli, Mt Michael, Omaha Concordia, DC West, Arlington, Ft Calhoun (6)

Working on this as well. Very close to what I have so far.

 

[hailvictors2]

Gross 1000% will opt up to Class B, they will not play Class C football.

I think you are wrong

 

[northeastNebraska]

Okay, complete shot in the dark based off the map.. Tough to decide around metro? Suggested changes?

District 1:
Chadron, Alliance, Sidney, Ogallala, Chase County (5)

District 2:
Broken Bow, Gothenburg, Cozad, Holdrege, Minden (5)

District 3:
O'Neill, Wayne, Pierce, Columbus Lakeview, Logan View/Scribner Snyder (5)

District 4:
Adam Central, Aurora, Central City, Scotus, Schuyler, Milford (6)

District 5:
Fairbury, Falls City, Auburn, Neb City, Syracuse, Lincoln Christian (6)

District 6:
Louisville, Ashland Greenwood, Wahoo, Omaha Gross, Boys Town, OBT/Corner/Quest (6)

District 7:
Roncalli, Mt Michael, Omaha Concordia, DC West, Arlington, Ft Calhoun (6)

Would be pretty surprised if Scotus and Lakeview were not in the same district. I know that has happened in XC but most of the time they are always together.

 

[MT_Headed]

Okay, complete shot in the dark based off the map.. Tough to decide around metro? Suggested changes?

District 1:
Chadron, Alliance, Sidney, Ogallala, Chase County (5)

District 2:
Broken Bow, Gothenburg, Cozad, Holdrege, Minden (5)

District 3:
O'Neill, Wayne, Pierce, Columbus Lakeview, Logan View/Scribner Snyder (5)

District 4:
Adam Central, Aurora, Central City, Scotus, Schuyler, Milford (6)

District 5:
Fairbury, Falls City, Auburn, Neb City, Syracuse, Lincoln Christian (6)

District 6:
Louisville, Ashland Greenwood, Wahoo, Omaha Gross, Boys Town, OBT/Corner/Quest (6)

District 7:
Roncalli, Mt Michael, Omaha Concordia, DC West, Arlington, Ft Calhoun (6)

Here's My Guess:
District 1(5 teams same as yours):
Chadron, Alliance, Sydney, Ogallala, Chase County

District 2(5 teams same as yours):
Gothenburg, Broken Bow, Cozad, Holdrege, Minden

District 3:
Central City, Aurora, Fairbury, Adams Central, Lincoln Christian, Mildford(6 Teams)

District 4:
O'Neill, Pierce, Wayne, Scotus, Lakeview, Schuyler(6 teams)

District 5:
Ashland Greenwood, Louisville, Syracuse, Neb City, Auburn, Falls City(6 Teams)

District 6:
LVSS, Arlington, DC West, Wahoo, Ft. Calhoun, Mount Michael Benedictine(6 Teams)

District 7:
Omaha Gross, Omaha Concordia, Brownell Talbot, Roncalli, Boystown(5 Teams)

I do not think Scotus and Lakeview will be split up by district.
For District 6 and 7, I think Mt. Michael or Ft. Calhoun could swing to District 7, but I have no idea about the metro it's a hot mess, then you add in Mt. Michael and Gross this go round.
Minden-Adams Central is interesting. Different districts, but could play non-district. I don't know what NSAA does to decide this.
Lincoln Christian could bump east, Ashland bump North, Columbus schools bump south, I mean who knows?

 

[hailvictors2]

What I have found in districts in the past is that proximity between 2 specific schools is irrelevant. What is relevant is proximity from the furthest east school in a district to the next furthest school east.
EX: Lexington is the 4th school from the west in class B. They need a 5th. It will either be Northwest or Hastings...but not both. Hastings and Northwest are 30 minutes from each other. They won't be in the same district. Those distances get tighter the further east you go. Standing Bear and Lin Northwest might end up in different districts.

 

[MT_Headed]

What I have found in districts in the past is that proximity between 2 specific schools is irrelevant. What is relevant is proximity from the furthest east school in a district to the next furthest school east.
EX: Lexington is the 4th school from the west in class B. They need a 5th. It will either be Northwest or Hastings...but not both. Hastings and Northwest are 30 minutes from each other. They won't be in the same district. Those distances get tighter the further east you go. Standing Bear and Lin Northwest might end up in different districts.

This was the premise I operated under, but my geography might be a little suspect.

 

[LTFO]

Believe that Gering is Opting down to C-1

 

[MT_Headed]

Believe that Gering is Opting down to C-1

Well now that blows my guess up lol.

 

[hailvictors2]

Well now that blows my guess up lol.

Same... It isn't noted on the declarations page. Other teams that are opting down are noted.

 

[judsonhall2]

Believe that Gering is Opting down to C-1

I don't believe this to be true after discussions with their Coaching staff.

 

[tireman2]

Gering declared 11 man with no opt on the updated list

 

[Club_Skers]

It looks like Gross did not opt up to class B according to the declarations page so they will play C1 football.

 

[hailvictors2]

Class B guess. Probably 5 districts of 5 teams. It will be interesting to see which team the NSAA takes west to go with Scottsbluff, Gering, McCook, and Lexington. It will either be Hastings or Northwest (Grand Island). That leaves the other with York, Seward, Crete, Beatrice, Lincoln Northwest, Lincoln Standing Bear, Norris, Pius, and Waverly to make two more districts of 5. Then I assume Bennington, Blair, Elkhorn, Elkhorn North, and Skutt in a district. Gretna, Gretna East, Ralston, Platteview, and Plattsmouth in a district.

Ralston	411
Elkhorn North	399
Gretna East	394
Lincoln Northwest	393
Lincoln Pius X	392
Scottsbluff	392
Bennington	391
Hastings	387
Lexington	382
Gretna	344
Elkhorn	304
Norris	298
Waverly	280
Blair	275
Crete	269
Beatrice	259
Omaha Skutt Catholic	253
Northwest (Grand Island)	221
Gering	197
Seward	188
Plattsmouth	183
York	179
McCook	178
Lincoln Standing Bear	172
Platteview	164

Class C-1 guess. 35 teams + the 4 ineligible schools (Schuyler, Alliance, Mt Michael, Nebraska City) Tiebreaker with Arlington, O'Neill, and Wilber-Clatonia....two of the three in C1, the third in C2. I think Wilber is the lowest of the 3 on tiebreaker. I assume they stay with 7 districts. That would be 4 districts of 6 teams and 3 districts of 5 teams.

Schuyler	259
Alliance	165
Mount Michael Benedictine	162
Nebraska City	162
Omaha Gross Catholic	154
Aurora	143
Douglas County West	140
Wahoo	135
Wayne	135
Omaha Brownell Talbot / Cornerstone Christ. / Quest Aca.	134 (58+49+27)
Omaha Roncalli Catholic	134
Holdrege	130
Columbus Lakeview	125
Sidney	123
Ashland-Greenwood	117
Adams Central	110
Fairbury	109
Cozad	107
Omaha Concordia	106
Fort Calhoun	103
Boys Town	100
Auburn	97
Central City	97
Lincoln Christian	96
Syracuse	94
Chase County	93
Broken Bow	92
Chadron	92
Milford	92
Ogallala	92
Scotus Central Catholic (Columbus)	92
Logan View / Scribner-Snyder	91 (69+22)
Falls City	89
Pierce	88
Gothenburg	92 (87+5)
Louisville	87
Minden	87
Arlington	86
ONeill	86

C2 with 35 teams. I assume they stay with 7 districts. That would be 5 teams in each. Still waiting on Superior to declare 8-man or 11-man. If they go 11-man it would bring them into C2 and we would have 1 6 team district there. They were 8-man last cycle, but 11-man the cycle before that and their current enrollment number is 54, which is 11-man. I think they would have the waiver open because their mid-cycle number last year was 47, so they would be in the waiver period if I understand that correctly. Anyone with a better understanding of how that works please feel free to chime in.

Wilber-Clatonia	86
Conestoga	84
St. Paul	84
Kearney Catholic	82
Raymond Central	81
West Point-Beemer	81
Battle Creek	79
Palmyra	79
Bishop Neumann	76
Boone Central	72
Lincoln Lutheran	71
Mitchell	70
Malcolm	69
Doniphan-Trumbull	68
Gibbon	68
Ord	67
Centura	66
North Bend Central	64
Fillmore Central	62
Tekamah-Herman	62
Valentine	62
Grand Island Central Catholic	60
Wood River	60
Hershey	59
Ponca	57
Amherst	55
Cedar Catholic (Hartington)	54
Norfolk Catholic	54
Gordon-Rushville	51
Cross County	50
Yutan	49
Oakland-Craig	48
Aquinas Catholic	46
Archbishop Bergan	45
Hastings St. Cecilia	38

Two adjustments to this... Superior is 11 man and will be C2. That would have made it 35 eligible C1 teams and 36 eligible C2 teams. Saw today that Omaha Brownell-Talbot is opting down to C2. Seems harmless, but that is a huge deal because it will pull Wilber-Clatonia up to C1. With OBT in C1 as an eligible team we have a 35-36 split between C1-C2. If they opt to C2 they become ineligible, but that also takes C1 to 34 teams. It is no longer an odd number of eligible teams, so they get split evenly. That pulls Wilber-Clatonia up.

Am I off on anything here?

 

[just_average32]

Two adjustments to this... Superior is 11 man and will be C2. That would have made it 35 eligible C1 teams and 36 eligible C2 teams. Saw today that Omaha Brownell-Talbot is opting down to C2. Seems harmless, but that is a huge deal because it will pull Wilber-Clatonia up to C1. With OBT in C1 as an eligible team we have a 35-36 split between C1-C2. If they opt to C2 they become ineligible, but that also takes C1 to 34 teams. It is no longer an odd number of eligible teams, so they get split evenly. That pulls Wilber-Clatonia up.

Am I off on anything here?

Maybe I’m off or forgot but I have it split even at 35/35 with Arlington (86) being the bottom of C1 and St Paul (84) being the top of C2 with the playoff eligible teams. Then you add 4 ineligible for C1 and 1 ineligible for ,2 with it being 39 & 36 teams

 

[MT_Headed]

Two adjustments to this... Superior is 11 man and will be C2. That would have made it 35 eligible C1 teams and 36 eligible C2 teams. Saw today that Omaha Brownell-Talbot is opting down to C2. Seems harmless, but that is a huge deal because it will pull Wilber-Clatonia up to C1. With OBT in C1 as an eligible team we have a 35-36 split between C1-C2. If they opt to C2 they become ineligible, but that also takes C1 to 34 teams. It is no longer an odd number of eligible teams, so they get split evenly. That pulls Wilber-Clatonia up.

Am I off on anything here?

No that really shifts C1, thanks for the info.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

no one see the issue with a team dropping down a class because they do not want to compete in the class their enrollment puts them and this action pushes a team up a class whos enrollment without that action would have put them in the top of the lower class but now the bottom of the upper class ??????????? So the ineligible teams action will now negatively effect a team ?? Is that correct ??

 

[Payton2425]

no one see the issue with a team dropping down a class because they do not want to compete in the class their enrollment puts them and this action pushes a team up a class whos enrollment without that action would have put them in the top of the lower class but now the bottom of the upper class ??????????? So the ineligible teams action will now negatively effect a team ?? Is that correct ??

They treat it just like 8-man. All ineligible teams are taken out of the equation and the remaining teams get split in half. If their is an odd number than the odd school gets pushed down. In this case would be to C2. Then the ineligible teams are added to the class. I 'm pretty sure this is how they do it. So the case people are talking about Brownel-Talbot is taken out to decide the cutoff line then added in later to the class they want in.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

They treat it just like 8-man. All ineligible teams are taken out of the equation and the remaining teams get split in half. If their is an odd number than the odd school gets pushed down. In this case would be to C2. Then the ineligible teams are added to the class. I 'm pretty sure this is how they do it. So the case people are talking about Brownel-Talbot is taken out to decide the cutoff line then added in later to the class they want in.

But because they choose not to play in the class they are suspose to be in, it does have an effect on other schools Correct ?

 

[runningback43]

But because they choose not to play in the class they are suspose to be in, it does have an effect on other schools Correct ?

I don't like the opt downs. I still think that the teams that opt down should be put into a district together.

 

[Payton2425]

But because they choose not to play in the class they are suspose to be in, it does have an effect on other schools Correct ?

Possibly? Depends I don't know enough to tell you yes or no. I don't know what school have opted up or down. All I know is they take the remaining 11 man schools that are eligible for C1/C2 and split them in half. If their is an odd number they usually push that down to, in this case C2. Then they add the ineligible teams to the class they want to opt in. Could be wrong, I'm basing things off of how they do it for 8-man. Could be a tad different since you also have A 7 B as well. Based on what I've seen above, looks like that cut line is around that 86/87 mark. Ineligible teams for me is another topic that's very touchy. I get it, people don't like when teams with high numbers come down to a class. What I can say about that is though, we don't always know the situation for every school. Do they have a lot of boys out for XC? How many boys are out for football? Too many factors to take into consideration. When a school has 73 boys as their count but only 25 go out. Tough to ask them to play 11 man against schools with a 2x the number of guys out. I know this might start a riot with some and I'm not here for that. I do get the grumbles with the opting down. I do believe the state needs to take a close look at it and try to make it better overall for schools across the state. Not truly what that is though.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Possibly? Depends I don't know enough to tell you yes or no. I don't know what school have opted up or down. All I know is they take the remaining 11 man schools that are eligible for C1/C2 and split them in half. If their is an odd number they usually push that down to, in this case C2. Then they add the ineligible teams to the class they want to opt in. Could be wrong, I'm basing things off of how they do it for 8-man. Could be a tad different since you also have A 7 B as well. Based on what I've seen above, looks like that cut line is around that 86/87 mark. Ineligible teams for me is another topic that's very touchy. I get it, people don't like when teams with high numbers come down to a class. What I can say about that is though, we don't always know the situation for every school. Do they have a lot of boys out for XC? How many boys are out for football? Too many factors to take into consideration. When a school has 73 boys as their count but only 25 go out. Tough to ask them to play 11 man against schools with a 2x the number of guys out. I know this might start a riot with some and I'm not here for that. I do get the grumbles with the opting down. I do believe the state needs to take a close look at it and try to make it better overall for schools across the state. Not truly what that is though.

I think opting down just prolongs what needs to be done, either coop with someone, consolidate or start playing a sport other than football that suits your districts enrollment

 

[Payton2425]

I think opting down just prolongs what needs to be done, either coop with someone, consolidate or start playing a sport other than football that suits your districts enrollment

I understand that view, but some of things aren't as easy as a snap of your fingers and say lets coop. Takes time and careful planning to make sure things are done correctly to help benefit the student athletes. In the long run that's what it's about. Tough to tell kids that do want to play football, go play another sport because you high school mates don't want to play and we have high numbers. Again, maybe a lot of kids are out just not playing football. Each school and case is different. They are not all the same. I will say again I understand the frustration of teams opting down but also understand they may be in a tough spot as well

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

I understand that view, but some of things aren't as easy as a snap of your fingers and say lets coop. Takes time and careful planning to make sure things are done correctly to help benefit the student athletes. In the long run that's what it's about. Tough to tell kids that do want to play football, go play another sport because you high school mates don't want to play and we have high numbers. Again, maybe a lot of kids are out just not playing football. Each school and case is different. They are not all the same. I will say again I understand the frustration of teams opting down but also understand they may be in a tough spot as well

This is why we have open enrollment and they have know of this situation for some time and the problems of one should not in any way negatively impact another school.

 

[elbens01]

This is why we have open enrollment and they have know of this situation for some time and the problems of one should not in any way negatively impact another school.

What is the plan when you have a situation like Osmond and Cedar Bluffs this year that cancelled their varsity season right before it started? Should those students be allowed to transfer schools and be eligible immediately or join another schools team even though they don't go there? This are things that need to be adjusted for.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

What is the plan when you have a situation like Osmond and Cedar Bluffs this year that cancelled their varsity season right before it started? Should those students be allowed to transfer schools and be eligible immediately or join another schools team even though they don't go there? This are things that need to be adjusted for.

agree with that but you also need some reality checks, these schools and especially the Parents and Football players have to look at the risks, You can not tell me they had lots of numbers in JH and lots of numbers the year before and all of a sudden it just happened.

 

[runningback43]

agree with that but you also need some reality checks, these schools and especially the Parents and Football players have to look at the risks, You can not tell me they had lots of numbers in JH and lots of numbers the year before and all of a sudden it just happened.

Osmond had been in a coop for Jr. High football with Wausa and the last 2 years in a coop with Randolph for Jr. High football.

 

[cschurm]

Osmond had been in a coop for Jr. High football with Wausa and the last 2 years in a coop with Randolph for Jr. High football.

Wausa/Osmond cooped this next cycle for football

 

[runningback43]

Wausa/Osmond cooped this next cycle for football

Which is a good thing. Should have happened last cycle though.

 

[northeastNebraska]

Which is a good thing. Should have happened last cycle though.

Should have happened 10 year ago.

Something is going to give up in that area of the state. No reason to have six Class D1-D2 K-12 schools in that small of an area.

 

[HighPlainsCoach]

What is the plan when you have a situation like Osmond and Cedar Bluffs this year that cancelled their varsity season right before it started? Should those students be allowed to transfer schools and be eligible immediately or join another schools team even though they don't go there? This are things that need to be adjusted for.

No. They simply don't play football. If you want Home Ec classes, don't go to a school without FCS. Same for Ag, Orchestra, Drivers Ed, you name it. Playing a high school sport is not some sort of birthright.

 

[Llama57]

Wait & see if EPIC option passes. If there's no propery tax $ going to local schools & it's all going to Lincoln, there will be lots of consolidations. I sense there's a lot of "anti big government" people who will vote for it, even though they're voting for getting rid of local control.

 

[northeastNebraska]

No. They simply don't play football. If you want Home Ec classes, don't go to a school without FCS. Same for Ag, Orchestra, Drivers Ed, you name it. Playing a high school sport is not some sort of birthright.

They should be able to transfer without sitting out in my opinion. If their educational opportunities get taken away from them in August when parents thought they would be there in May.