Changes going to vote in the next month

[TC53]

So, am I right that there are proposals to do both of these things that will be decided soon?
1) 180-day transfer sit-out if not accompanied by domicile change
2) removal of restrictions on out-of-season/during-school-year practice sessions (like only 4 basketball players at a time, etc...)

True? How do we think this is going to come out?

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

So, am I right that there are proposals to do both of these things that will be decided soon?
1) 180-day transfer sit-out if not accompanied by domicile change
2) removal of restrictions on out-of-season/during-school-year practice sessions (like only 4 basketball players at a time, etc...)

True? How do we think this is going to come out?

One transfers are out of hand Two Trying to keep kids with coaches and not so much club sports so we dont lose high school sports

 

[hailvictors2]

So, am I right that there are proposals to do both of these things that will be decided soon?
1) 180-day transfer sit-out if not accompanied by domicile change
2) removal of restrictions on out-of-season/during-school-year practice sessions (like only 4 basketball players at a time, etc...)

True? How do we think this is going to come out?

If #2 passes it will be catastrophic to small school roster sizes. You will see a significant increase in one sport athletes/sport specialization.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

If #2 passes it will be catastrophic to small school roster sizes. You will see a significant increase in one sport athletes/sport specialization.

not so, in small schools the object of all coaches is to promote three sport athletes and this can easily be supported by all coaches and upheld by the Administration, as what they will allow

 

[hailvictors2]

not so, in small schools the object of all coaches is to promote three sport athletes and this can easily be supported by all coaches and upheld by the Administration, as what they will allow

This is inaccurate. Doesn't matter what the admin or coaches say. If a kid loves baseball and the baseball coach is offering fall workouts you can lock it that the kid isn't going to play football. This isn't rocket science. This is common sense. AD and principal can tell the kid 100 times he should play football, they can't force him to. And he won't if he has an opportunity to play the sport he likes better through the school during the same season. The baseball coach isn't at fault here, either. He is trying to build his program.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

This is inaccurate. Doesn't matter what the admin or coaches say. If a kid loves baseball and the baseball coach is offering fall workouts you can lock it that the kid isn't going to play football. This isn't rocket science. This is common sense. AD and principal can tell the kid 100 times he should play football, they can't force him to. And he won't if he has an opportunity to play the sport he likes better through the school during the same season. The baseball coach isn't at fault here, either. He is trying to build his program.

You control in by allowing or not allowing workouts by your coaching staff You control your coaching staff during other seasons

 

[hailvictors2]

You control in by allowing or not allowing workouts by your coaching staff You control your coaching staff during other seasons

And thus a competitive disadvantage becomes present, because the (insert sport name here) program at High School A is not permitted to practice in the off-season so their kids continue to play other sports....but the same sport at High School B is practicing because they don't care about multi-sport athletes. So now HS A is an entire offseason behind HS B when they play in the regular season. Its a stupid proposal. A vote for it is a vote against multi-sport athletes.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

And thus a competitive disadvantage becomes present, because the (insert sport name here) program at High School A is not permitted to practice in the off-season so their kids continue to play other sports....but the same sport at High School B is practicing because they don't care about multi-sport athletes. So now HS A is an entire offseason behind HS B when they play in the regular season. Its a stupid proposal. A vote for it is a vote against multi-sport athletes.

Very good point I agree

 

[TC53]

The competitive imbalance already exists in schools where the kids/families have the money to access club sports. I think #2 is most likely to push us further toward the future we are already heading for where schools drop sports to focus on others, and especially in multi-school areas, we have basketball schools that no longer compete in football and maybe even not in track.

 

[just_average32]

I think it will help high school coaches manage their time more efficiently by working with all the athletes at once, and therefor freeing up time and space for other activities to work as well. Smaller schools will still do a good job of sharing athletes. This rule is for larger schools with 1 sport athletes to work year-round with them, but in a more efficient way. Instead of a coach having various days and slots for cage work with guys, he can schedule a an hour or two with less days and probably get more done. honestly, Honestly, this makes it easier for the coach

 

[hailvictors2]

I think it will help high school coaches manage their time more efficiently by working with all the athletes at once, and therefor freeing up time and space for other activities to work as well. Smaller schools will still do a good job of sharing athletes. This rule is for larger schools with 1 sport athletes to work year-round with them, but in a more efficient way. Instead of a coach having various days and slots for cage work with guys, he can schedule a an hour or two with less days and probably get more done. honestly, Honestly, this makes it easier for the coach

Firm disagree. What about the coach that is already coaching something in the fall (Football), then is also the track, baseball, or soccer coach in the spring. He now has to run 2 a days (football followed by his spring sport) daily just to keep up with neighboring districts. Its insanity.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

Firm disagree. What about the coach that is already coaching something in the fall (Football), then is also the track, baseball, or soccer coach in the spring. He now has to run 2 a days (football followed by his spring sport) daily just to keep up with neighboring districts. Its insanity.

the entire thing has become insanity. Heck they are voting on an A/B classification for Football. whats the criteria you ask, well NONE you just tell your story and the group decides if you get to join. Its all insane and you get to be in a class with about a total of 16 schools and play for state title

 

[TC53]

Does the A/B class proposal involve a playoff? I thought it didn't. I thought teams opting for that division would be opting out of the championship system and work on establishing their programs and offering good competition for each other.

 

[Mr. Irrelevent]

Firm disagree. What about the coach that is already coaching something in the fall (Football), then is also the track, baseball, or soccer coach in the spring. He now has to run 2 a days (football followed by his spring sport) daily just to keep up with neighboring districts. Its insanity.

News flash...plenty of small school coaches are already doing this. Like literally the basketball coach (any multisport coach) is also putting in time working with the baseball/track boys/girls (other sport coached) during each sport season...only right now there are restrictions on how many kids he/she can work with at a time so they spend even more time working with several groups.

Schools that push for multi-sport kids will continue to do so, because of their expectations, coaches, community, and culture. Kids already have access to things in some places that others don't. Don't kids within an hour or two of Omaha and Lincoln readily have more access to club activities than others from farther away? Yet schools like Wahoo, Neumann, Malcolm, Milford, Norris (not small), Waverly (not small), Yutan, DC West...all have had success in different sports.

Kids that don't play sports or specialize in one sport today have many reasons. One of the biggest...that we act like is a secret....Sports are hard....and many kids don't like and can't handle hard in today's world.

One thing this may put small towns at a disadvantage of for sure is time and facilities. If a school has 2 gyms....there's only so much time that can be spent on each sport...and often in these communities, the same facilities for school sports are used for youth sports programs. Bigger schools often have more gym space...so are they at an advantage....that's up to you to decide as your own opinion.

 

[hailvictors2]

News flash...plenty of small school coaches are already doing this. Like literally the basketball coach (any multisport coach) is also putting in time working with the baseball/track boys/girls (other sport coached) during each sport season...only right now there are restrictions on how many kids he/she can work with at a time so they spend even more time working with several groups.

Schools that push for multi-sport kids will continue to do so, because of their expectations, coaches, community, and culture. Kids already have access to things in some places that others don't. Don't kids within an hour or two of Omaha and Lincoln readily have more access to club activities than others from farther away? Yet schools like Wahoo, Neumann, Malcolm, Milford, Norris (not small), Waverly (not small), Yutan, DC West...all have had success in different sports.

Kids that don't play sports or specialize in one sport today have many reasons. One of the biggest...that we act like is a secret....Sports are hard....and many kids don't like and can't handle hard in today's world.

One thing this may put small towns at a disadvantage of for sure is time and facilities. If a school has 2 gyms....there's only so much time that can be spent on each sport...and often in these communities, the same facilities for school sports are used for youth sports programs. Bigger schools often have more gym space...so are they at an advantage....that's up to you to decide as your own opinion.

I'm well aware that coaches are pulling double duty already. Thing is, right now it is a few workouts a week (maybe Tuesday and Thursday). What people like you fail to understand is that when limitations are lifted the expectation will become that out of season training be offered daily. There isn't a single positive that comes from this. Kids will play the same sport year-round, which study after study has shown is not what is best of adolescent development. Kids that are currently in season for basketball will feel inclined to attend baseball or track workouts after their basketball practice. This is all a way of creating more and more single sport specialists. We are adding more things into a day but can't change the amount of time we have to fit those things. If this passes a kids schedule is going to look something like this on a daily basis.

Winter Schedule
5:15-6:00 AM- Rise and shine, eat breakfast, travel to school
6:00-7:15 AM- Before school baseball workout. Must be before school to find gym space
7:15 AM-8:00 AM- Shower and get ready for school in the locker room
8:00 AM-3:45 PM- School
4:00 PM- 6:00 PM- Winter practice
6:00 PM-7:00 PM- Travel home, eat dinner
7:00PM-11:00PM- Homework and socialization
That's a 14 hour day without homework, 15-16 hour day with homework. Everyday. All Winter. And people think thats a good thing. Originally I said that's lunacy, but that's probably not a fair thing to say. I just don't agree with that mindset.

 

[hailvictors2]

The elephant in the room here is Spring Football. If this proposal passes you will see well over 50% of Nebraska schools host "spring ball". I would guess it would be a widely accepted expectation in classes A-B and a majority of C1-C2 among players and coaches (and more likely, ADs and parents) that the coaches host Spring Ball and players participate. I'm all for multi-sport kids, but not in the same season. So kids now have to choose. If they want to play baseball, soccer, golf, or run track than they can't participate in spring football. What you will see is spring participation #s in the NSAA sponsored sports plummet to all-time lows because the males won't participate so they can do spring ball instead.

 

[newsie101]

The elephant in the room here is Spring Football. If this proposal passes you will see well over 50% of Nebraska schools host "spring ball". I would guess it would be a widely accepted expectation in classes A-B and a majority of C1-C2 among players and coaches (and more likely, ADs and parents) that the coaches host Spring Ball and players participate. I'm all for multi-sport kids, but not in the same season. So kids now have to choose. If they want to play baseball, soccer, golf, or run track than they can't participate in spring football. What you will see is spring participation #s in the NSAA sponsored sports plummet to all-time lows because the males won't participate so they can do spring ball instead.

Maybe in A/B. The C schools I'm familiar with the track coaches are either head or assistant football coaches so it's not happening there.

 

[hailvictors2]

Maybe in A/B. The C schools I'm familiar with the track coaches are either head or assistant football coaches so it's not happening there.

If spring ball becomes legal you will see less and less football coaches help out with a spring sport. They will coach football year round.

 

[Mr. Irrelevent]

If spring ball becomes legal you will see less and less football coaches help out with a spring sport. They will coach football year round.

Yes and no. It's Nebraska and schools still have that 'other duties as assigned' ability. If we get to Texas standards where coaches are only coaches and don't work in the school...and are paid equal or more than teachers just for coaching....then we'd be in crazy times.

 

[TC53]

In the next ten years in Omaha, you will have a full-time (Texas-style) football coach at one or two suburban schools. You will also have a few city schools become 'basketball-only/no-football schools. Don't see us stopping this with rule changes. Accelerating it, maybe.

 

[hailvictors2]

Yes and no. It's Nebraska and schools still have that 'other duties as assigned' ability. If we get to Texas standards where coaches are only coaches and don't work in the school...and are paid equal or more than teachers just for coaching....then we'd be in crazy times.

As noted, schools can assign certified staff (teachers) extra-duty positions. They won't do that to people that already serve as extra-duty sponsors. If the head football coach is currently the baseball or track coach and goes to the AD/Principal to resign that position so he can better satisfy his role as head football coach there is no chance the district denies that request. If this proposal passes, spring football (maybe even winter football) becomes part of the job duties of "head football coach". Its now a year round position.

 

[hailvictors2]

In the next ten years in Omaha, you will have a full-time (Texas-style) football coach at one or two suburban schools. You will also have a few city schools become 'basketball-only/no-football schools. Don't see us stopping this with rule changes. Accelerating it, maybe.

I could see us having some basketball only schools. I think Nebraska is a long ways from having stand-alone football positions that come with a liveable salary, health insurance, and benefits.

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

I could see us having some basketball only schools. I think Nebraska is a long ways from having stand-alone football positions that come with a liveable salary, health insurance, and benefits.

which is crazy because schools the same size in Texas, Georgia, Alabama and Florida (to name a few) as A and B schools in Nebraska can WHY cant Nebraska ?

 

[just_average32]

I think coaches and admins will set some guidelines be responsible adults about it. If “spring ball” comes to fruition, it will be regulated like they do in Texas for a specific amount of time and practices.

As far as full time coaches, I am not 100% certain, but I’m willing to bet that most of those top metro coaches don’t have much of a class load. I don’t see Nebraska being THAT desperate to compete with Texas for elite coaches that we just pay someone $80k-100k just to coach football or basketball. It may get disguised with co-teaching a weights class or some leadership class, but I don’t see a school board approving a full time coach only position anytime soon.

I do agree with TC that you will see bigger metro schools drop football and focus on basketball. At the very least, I think schools like Benson, Omaha Northwest, etc, should look at a mega co-op.

 

[hailvictors2]

I think coaches and admins will set some guidelines be responsible adults about it. If “spring ball” comes to fruition, it will be regulated like they do in Texas for a specific amount of time and practices.

As far as full time coaches, I am not 100% certain, but I’m willing to bet that most of those top metro coaches don’t have much of a class load. I don’t see Nebraska being THAT desperate to compete with Texas for elite coaches that we just pay someone $80k-100k just to coach football or basketball. It may get disguised with co-teaching a weights class or some leadership class, but I don’t see a school board approving a full time coach only position anytime soon.

I do agree with TC that you will see bigger metro schools drop football and focus on basketball. At the very least, I think schools like Benson, Omaha Northwest, etc, should look at a mega co-op.

Agree with this.

 

[Alum-Ni]

3 Class A football scheduling proposals dismissed; more conversations for NSAA scheduled

A meeting Thursday of NSAA officials and athletic officials from the state’s three largest school districts will discuss the next football scheduling cycle, the 2026 and 2027 seasons, and perhaps

omaha.com

Spoiler: Article

Three Class A Football Scheduling Proposals Dismissed; More Conversations for NSAA Scheduled
by Stu Pospisil, Omaha World-Herald

It was three-and-out for the legislative proposals for Class A football scheduling.

Time to punt? Not yet.

A meeting Thursday of NSAA officials and athletic officials from the state's three largest school districts will discuss the next scheduling cycle, the 2026 and 2027 seasons, and perhaps this fall's schedule.

Chad Zimmerman of Millard Public Schools, John Krogstrand of the Omaha Public Schools and JJ Toczek of Lincoln Public Schools will meet with NSAA Executive Director Jennifer Schwartz and Associate Director Jeff Johnson.

"It's to evaluate the feasibility of the legislative proposals and then discuss a timeline," Zimmerman said.

Any changes for the next scheduling cycle must receive NSAA board approval no later than its October meeting.

In November, there were three legislative proposals for scheduling advanced by District 2, which contains the Metro Conference. One would have created two scheduling pools, a second would have reduced the number of districts and the third would have formed a separate division for Class A and B schools needing scheduling relief.

The second round of district legislative meetings was Wednesday. District 2 voted 35-3 against the two pools proposal. The other two proposals were not considered due to lack of a motion.

Zimmerman said Class A athletic directors discussed the three proposals after the November meetings.

"We did not involve the NSAA in the process. So what we need to do tomorrow is say, OK, collectively from an NSAA lens, what is feasible from your perspective? How many options are there?" he said.

Zimmerman said he favors a cautious approach.

"We want to be protective that whatever we decide doesn't have a greater impact in not only Class A but then in other sports," he said. "If we do something for football specifically, even if it's only contained in Class A, does that then allow a mechanism that we evaluate all other activities, not saying that's good or bad."

"It's just something I think we need to think through long term and the potential impacts of those kids of decisions."

Last season, Omaha Benson forfeited its final two games due to lack of numbers, Lincoln High asked not to play the second half against Millard South and 68 of 148 Class A games (46%) were won by 35 points or more.

Changes to the 2025 schedule would be predicated on what Class A puts forth for the 2026-27 cycle.

"If we're going to go back to what we've always done in 2026, why would there be an adjustment for 2025?" Zimmerman said. "I guess, from a (NSAA) board-level lens, they would tell us, 'Hey, other teams forfeit in other classes. If you're not going to have some kind of substantial change in 2026, whey would we have radical change.'

"That's just my interpretation of how the board will view it, but that'll be part of the conversation."

 

[TC53]

So, 180-day eligibility passed in districts 4 and 6. Failed in 3 & 5. NSAA doesn't have 1 & 2 up. As always, I have forgotten if they need to pass 3 or 4 districts to move on?

Out-of-season/in-school-year open gym passed in 3 & 4 and failed in 5 & 6. I assume 1 &2 approved? So it moves on?

Two-sports in a season eligibility passed in 3 but failed in 4,5, & 6.

Opting up 2 classes passed everywhere!

8th grade eligibility in Class D passed in 3 & 6.

The changes in 8-man including three 8-man classes passed in 3, 5, & 6.

Bonus points for playing an opt-down team passed in 3 & 6.

The three Class A football scheduling proposals (all pretty out there- Fremont plan, Central plan, and A-B plan) all failed in every district. EXCEPT, district 6 passed the A-B plan!

So, where are we?

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

So, 180-day eligibility passed in districts 4 and 6. Failed in 3 & 5. NSAA doesn't have 1 & 2 up. As always, I have forgotten if they need to pass 3 or 4 districts to move on?

Out-of-season/in-school-year open gym passed in 3 & 4 and failed in 5 & 6. I assume 1 &2 approved? So it moves on?

Two-sports in a season eligibility passed in 3 but failed in 4,5, & 6.

Opting up 2 classes passed everywhere!

8th grade eligibility in Class D passed in 3 & 6.

The changes in 8-man including three 8-man classes passed in 3, 5, & 6.

Bonus points for playing an opt-down team passed in 3 & 6.

The three Class A football scheduling proposals (all pretty out there- Fremont plan, Central plan, and A-B plan) all failed in every district. EXCEPT, district 6 passed the A-B plan!

So, where are we?

All results are posted and I believe it passed 3 of 6 district and only takes three

 

[highschoolfootballnut]

All results are posted and I believe it passed 3 of 6 district and only takes three

https://nsaa-static.s3.amazonaws.com/textfile/leg/janresults.pdf