Possible conference shakeup?
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I seem to remember when these high schools were proposed that the attendance would be capped at Class B levels and that they would not get to the size of the other A schools in Lincoln.
I could see them being Class B for a good six years. Standing Bear though one would think will grow quickly when you look at the number of homes being built around it. It's all new construction areas too. One would think they should be able to compete right away in Class B football/basketball with the talent pool they have access to compared to other Class B schools/communities.
I wonder if this new school will hurt Palmyra or help them? 70th and Saltillo isn't far from Hickman either.
crazy isn't it, its four miles from palmyra. and not in their district
That is crazy. It's 27 miles from Norris campus to the golf course.
6 miles from Palmyra.
Okay looking at conferences as of 11-11-21...Is this correct?
*New team coming into the league in 2022-2023
Capitol Conference
Arlington
Ashland-Greenwood
Conestoga
Douglas County West
Fort Calhoun
Logan View/Scribner-Snyder
Louisville
Raymond Central
Syracuse
Yutan
Centennial Conference
Boys Town (boys only)
Columbus Scotus
David City Aquinas
Fremont Bergan
Grand Island Central Catholic
Hastings St. Cecilia
Kearney Catholic
Lincoln Christian
Lincoln Lutheran
Omaha Concordia
Wahoo Neumann
Central Conference
Adams Central
Aurora
Columbus Lakeview
Crete
Grand Island Northwest
Lexington
Schuyler
Seward
York
Crossroads Conference
Bruning-Davenport/Shickley
Cross County
Dorchester
East Butler
Exeter-Milligan
Giltner
Hampton
High Plains
McCool Junction
Meridian
Nebraska Lutheran
Osceola
Shelby/Rising City
East Central Nebraska Conference
Auburn
Elmwood-Murdock
Falls City
Freeman
Johnson County Central
Mead
Palmyra
Weeping Water
East Husker Conference
Bancroft-Rosalie/Lyons-Decatur
Clarkson/Leigh
Howells-Dodge
Humphrey/Lindsay Holy Family
Madison
North Bend
Oakland-Craig
Pender
Stanton
Tekamah-Herman
Twin River
West Point-Beemer
Wisner-Pilger
Eastern Midlands Conference
Bennington
Blair
Elkhorn
Elkhorn North
Lincoln Northwest*
Lincoln Standing Bear*
Norris
Waverly
Fort Kearny Conference
Amherst
Ansley/Litchfield
Axtell
Elm Creek
Hi-Line
Loomis
Overton
Pleasanton
Sumner-Eddyville-Miller
Wilcox-Hildreth
Frontier Conference
Boys Town (girls only)
Cedar Bluffs
College View Academy
Cornerstone Christian
Heartland Christian (Iowa)
Omaha Brownell-Talbot
Omaha Christian
Parkview Christian
Whiting (Iowa)
Goldenrod Conference
Burwell
Central Valley
Elba
Fullerton
Heartland Lutheran
Humphrey St. Francis
Nebraska Christian
Palmer
Riverside
Spalding Academy
St. Edward
Greater Nebraska Athletic Conference
Gering
Hastings
McCook
North Platte
Scottsbluff
Heartland Athletic Conference
Columbus
Fremont
Grand Island
Kearney
Lincoln East
Lincoln High
Lincoln North Star
Lincoln Northeast
Lincoln Pius X
Lincoln Southeast
Lincoln Southwest
Norfolk
Independents
Lutheran High Northeast
Omaha Nation
Omaha Street School
Lewis & Clark Conference
Allen-Emerson-Hubbard (Tri-County Northeast)*
Bloomfield
Creighton
Hartington-Newcastle
Homer
Laurel-Concord-Coleridge
Osmond
Plainview
Ponca
Randolph
Wakefield
Walthill
Wausa
Winnebago
Winside
Wynot
LouPlatte Conference
Arcadia/Loup City
Central City
Centura
Doniphan-Trumbull
Gibbon
Ord
Ravenna
St. Paul
Wood River
Metro Conference
Bellevue East
Bellevue West
Elkhorn South
Gretna
Gretna East*
Millard North
Millard South
Millard West
Omaha Benson
Omaha Bryan
Omaha Burke
Omaha Central
Omaha Creighton Prep
Omaha Marian
Omaha North
Omaha Northwest
Omaha South
Omaha Westside
Papillion-LaVista
Papillion-LaVista South
Mid-Nebraska Activities Conference
Anselmo-Merna
Arthur County
Brady
Cody-Kilgore
Hyannis
Mullen
Sandhills Valley
Sandhills/Thedford
South Loup
Twin Loup
Mid-State Conference
Battle Creek
Boone Central/Newman Grove
Crofton
Guardian Angels Central Catholic
Hartington Cedar Catholic
Norfolk Catholic
O'Neill
Pierce
Wayne
Minuteman Activities Conference
Bayard
Banner County
Creek Valley
Garden County
Leyton
Minatare
Potter-Dix
South Platte
MUDECAS
Bruning-Davenport/Shickley
Diller-Odell
Exeter-Milligan
Falls City Sacred Heart
Freeman
Humboldt-Table Rock-Steinauer
Johnson-Brock
Johnson County Central
Lewiston
Meridian
Palmyra
Parkview Christian
Pawnee City
Southern
Sterling
Tri County
Niobrara Valley Conference
Atkinson West Holt
Boyd County
Chambers/Wheeler Central
Elgin/Elgin Pope John
Elkhorn Valley
Neligh-Oakdale
Niobrara/Verdigre
North Central
O'Neill St. Mary's
Santee
Stuart
Summerland
Panhandle Conference
Crawford
Edgemont (South Dakota)
Hay Springs
Hemingford
Morrill
Sioux County
Pioneer Conference
Diller-Odell
Falls City Sacred Heart
Friend
Humboldt-Table Rock-Steinauer
Johnson-Brock
Lewiston
Nebraska City Lourdes
Pawnee City
Southern
Sterling
Tri County
Republican Plains Activities Conference
Alma
Arapahoe
Bertrand
Cambridge
Dundy County-Stratton
Hitchcock County
Maxwell
Maywood/Hayes Center
Medicine Valley
Paxton
Southern Valley
Southwest
Wallace
Wauneta-Palisade
River Cities Conference
Elkhorn Mt. Michael
Omaha Duchesne
Omaha Gross
Omaha Mercy
Omaha Roncalli
Omaha Skutt
South Sioux City
South Platte Valley Association
Bridgeport
Chase County
Hershey
Kimball
North Platte St. Patrick's
Perkins County
Sutherland
Southern Nebraska Conference
Centennial
David City
Fairbury
Fillmore Central
Heartland
Milford
Sandy Creek
Superior
Sutton
Thayer Central
Wilber-Clatonia
Southwest Conference
Ainsworth
Broken Bow
Cozad
Gothenburg
Holdrege*
McCook
Minden
Ogallala
Valentine
Trailblazer Conference
Beatrice
Malcolm*
Nebraska City
Platteview
Plattsmouth
Ralston
Wahoo
Twin Valley Conference
Blue Hill
Deshler
Franklin
Harvard
Kenesaw
Lawrence-Nelson
Red Cloud
Shelton
Silver Lake
Western Conference
Alliance
Chadron
Gering
Mitchell
Scottsbluff
Sidney
Western Trails Conference
Bayard
Bridgeport
Gordon-Rushville
Hemingford
Kimball
Mitchell
Morrill
*New team coming into the league in 2022-2023
Capitol Conference
Arlington
Ashland-Greenwood
Conestoga
Douglas County West
Fort Calhoun
Logan View/Scribner-Snyder
Louisville
Raymond Central
Syracuse
Yutan
Centennial Conference
Boys Town (boys only)
Columbus Scotus
David City Aquinas
Fremont Bergan
Grand Island Central Catholic
Hastings St. Cecilia
Kearney Catholic
Lincoln Christian
Lincoln Lutheran
Omaha Concordia
Wahoo Neumann
Central Conference
Adams Central
Aurora
Columbus Lakeview
Crete
Grand Island Northwest
Lexington
Schuyler
Seward
York
Crossroads Conference
Bruning-Davenport/Shickley
Cross County
Dorchester
East Butler
Exeter-Milligan
Giltner
Hampton
High Plains
McCool Junction
Meridian
Nebraska Lutheran
Osceola
Shelby/Rising City
East Central Nebraska Conference
Auburn
Elmwood-Murdock
Falls City
Freeman
Johnson County Central
Mead
Palmyra
Weeping Water
East Husker Conference
Bancroft-Rosalie/Lyons-Decatur
Clarkson/Leigh
Howells-Dodge
Humphrey/Lindsay Holy Family
Madison
North Bend
Oakland-Craig
Pender
Stanton
Tekamah-Herman
Twin River
West Point-Beemer
Wisner-Pilger
Eastern Midlands Conference
Bennington
Blair
Elkhorn
Elkhorn North
Lincoln Northwest*
Lincoln Standing Bear*
Norris
Waverly
Fort Kearny Conference
Amherst
Ansley/Litchfield
Axtell
Elm Creek
Hi-Line
Loomis
Overton
Pleasanton
Sumner-Eddyville-Miller
Wilcox-Hildreth
Frontier Conference
Boys Town (girls only)
Cedar Bluffs
College View Academy
Cornerstone Christian
Heartland Christian (Iowa)
Omaha Brownell-Talbot
Omaha Christian
Parkview Christian
Whiting (Iowa)
Goldenrod Conference
Burwell
Central Valley
Elba
Fullerton
Heartland Lutheran
Humphrey St. Francis
Nebraska Christian
Palmer
Riverside
Spalding Academy
St. Edward
Greater Nebraska Athletic Conference
Gering
Hastings
McCook
North Platte
Scottsbluff
Heartland Athletic Conference
Columbus
Fremont
Grand Island
Kearney
Lincoln East
Lincoln High
Lincoln North Star
Lincoln Northeast
Lincoln Pius X
Lincoln Southeast
Lincoln Southwest
Norfolk
Independents
Lutheran High Northeast
Omaha Nation
Omaha Street School
Lewis & Clark Conference
Allen-Emerson-Hubbard (Tri-County Northeast)*
Bloomfield
Creighton
Hartington-Newcastle
Homer
Laurel-Concord-Coleridge
Osmond
Plainview
Ponca
Randolph
Wakefield
Walthill
Wausa
Winnebago
Winside
Wynot
LouPlatte Conference
Arcadia/Loup City
Central City
Centura
Doniphan-Trumbull
Gibbon
Ord
Ravenna
St. Paul
Wood River
Metro Conference
Bellevue East
Bellevue West
Elkhorn South
Gretna
Gretna East*
Millard North
Millard South
Millard West
Omaha Benson
Omaha Bryan
Omaha Burke
Omaha Central
Omaha Creighton Prep
Omaha Marian
Omaha North
Omaha Northwest
Omaha South
Omaha Westside
Papillion-LaVista
Papillion-LaVista South
Mid-Nebraska Activities Conference
Anselmo-Merna
Arthur County
Brady
Cody-Kilgore
Hyannis
Mullen
Sandhills Valley
Sandhills/Thedford
South Loup
Twin Loup
Mid-State Conference
Battle Creek
Boone Central/Newman Grove
Crofton
Guardian Angels Central Catholic
Hartington Cedar Catholic
Norfolk Catholic
O'Neill
Pierce
Wayne
Minuteman Activities Conference
Bayard
Banner County
Creek Valley
Garden County
Leyton
Minatare
Potter-Dix
South Platte
MUDECAS
Bruning-Davenport/Shickley
Diller-Odell
Exeter-Milligan
Falls City Sacred Heart
Freeman
Humboldt-Table Rock-Steinauer
Johnson-Brock
Johnson County Central
Lewiston
Meridian
Palmyra
Parkview Christian
Pawnee City
Southern
Sterling
Tri County
Niobrara Valley Conference
Atkinson West Holt
Boyd County
Chambers/Wheeler Central
Elgin/Elgin Pope John
Elkhorn Valley
Neligh-Oakdale
Niobrara/Verdigre
North Central
O'Neill St. Mary's
Santee
Stuart
Summerland
Panhandle Conference
Crawford
Edgemont (South Dakota)
Hay Springs
Hemingford
Morrill
Sioux County
Pioneer Conference
Diller-Odell
Falls City Sacred Heart
Friend
Humboldt-Table Rock-Steinauer
Johnson-Brock
Lewiston
Nebraska City Lourdes
Pawnee City
Southern
Sterling
Tri County
Republican Plains Activities Conference
Alma
Arapahoe
Bertrand
Cambridge
Dundy County-Stratton
Hitchcock County
Maxwell
Maywood/Hayes Center
Medicine Valley
Paxton
Southern Valley
Southwest
Wallace
Wauneta-Palisade
River Cities Conference
Elkhorn Mt. Michael
Omaha Duchesne
Omaha Gross
Omaha Mercy
Omaha Roncalli
Omaha Skutt
South Sioux City
South Platte Valley Association
Bridgeport
Chase County
Hershey
Kimball
North Platte St. Patrick's
Perkins County
Sutherland
Southern Nebraska Conference
Centennial
David City
Fairbury
Fillmore Central
Heartland
Milford
Sandy Creek
Superior
Sutton
Thayer Central
Wilber-Clatonia
Southwest Conference
Ainsworth
Broken Bow
Cozad
Gothenburg
Holdrege*
McCook
Minden
Ogallala
Valentine
Trailblazer Conference
Beatrice
Malcolm*
Nebraska City
Platteview
Plattsmouth
Ralston
Wahoo
Twin Valley Conference
Blue Hill
Deshler
Franklin
Harvard
Kenesaw
Lawrence-Nelson
Red Cloud
Shelton
Silver Lake
Western Conference
Alliance
Chadron
Gering
Mitchell
Scottsbluff
Sidney
Western Trails Conference
Bayard
Bridgeport
Gordon-Rushville
Hemingford
Kimball
Mitchell
Morrill
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Malcolm will be in the Trailblazer next year.
Does anyone have any idea on what Ashland-Greenwood timetable is? They seem to be the next logical team to join the Trailblazer. OR....I don't think this would happen, but could they get an EMC invite with their continued growth?
Interesting that there has been no announcement (that I've seen) about Buena Vista and Westview to the Metro. Both are starting with just 9-10 graders, right? JV-only year one? What about year two, the second of the two-year football cycle? I think those are major dominoes.
I think there is another EMC move coming too.
I think there is another EMC move coming too.
Teams moving in our moving out?
Current league
Bennington
Blair
Elkhorn
Elkhorn North
Lincoln Northwest*
Lincoln Standing Bear*
Norris
Waverly
I'd love to see Skutt move in to this league with Gross (or a combo of Mt. Michael/Duchesne to keep the numbers at 10. That would leave the RCC to essentially disband. Send Omaha Roncalli to the Centennial Conference so Concordia has a partner.
In. But, now I'm hearing no second school coming in for 2022. Still possible for fall 2023 when Standing Bear enters, but makes me wonder if whole deal is shaky. I'll say this EMC certainly being aggressive and making moves to survive in their suburban boom environment.
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OK- Academic exercise:
What if a bomb dropped and it was declared that all conferences had to compete in football again. In fact, your whole schedule is playing your conference.
1. How many of these conferences immediately break up because the football match-ups would not work?
2. How many split in two (maybe because of 6/8/11 issues) or maybe just because in football competition a split would be best.
3. How many of the really big ones would just need geographic splits because the level of football would be fine?
These conferences were developed for basketball, volleyball, track, and other sports. It has been a long time since football was considered in conference discussions. But, the old reasons for forming conferences like similar demos, location, history are still factors. Would these conferences still work for football if they had to?
Standing Bear will be closer to my parents house now then Norris will be, and they only live 2 miles north of Hickman
For clarification. Woodland Hills is the home course for Palmyra. Pioneers in Lincoln is the home course for Norris. Woodland Hills is in the Waverly school district.
This is the craziness of district maps and school districts, example if you live in woodland hills, I believe there is five schools districts closer to you than your home district
1. I think many of the conferences would still be able to play against each other.
2.
3. I think this would be the most likely scenario. Conferences would split into a east vs west or north vs south.
Conferences that could do it:
Capitol: Yes, Could easily make it work, often times these teams get matched up in district play
Centennial: Yes, split into an east vs west
Central: Yes, split into a east vs west
Eastern Midlands: Yes, see the Capitol description
Frontier: Sure?
GNAC: Yes, they get matched up in district play a lot.
HAC: Yes, they play each other all the time
Lewis and Clark: Yes if Ponca goes 8 man eventually. Split into an east/west. (They should do this now)
LouPlatte: Yes if ALC gets out and Amherst comes in.
Metro: Yes, they play each other all the time
Minuteman: Yes if they all play 6 man
Panhandle: Yes, they all play each other now for the most part.
Pioneer: Yes, they play each other now for the most part.
Southwest: Yes they play each other in district play a lot.
Trailblazer: Yes
These I would lean towards no
Crossroads: I would lean towards no. It would be challenging with teams like Dorchester, Hampton, High Plains, etc.
ECNC: No, Auburn to Weeping Water doesn't really work.
East Husker: No, same here as the ECNC. West Point-Beemer vs Humphrey-Lindsay Holy Family doesn't work.
Goldenrod: No until St. Edward and Elba co-op with someone or consolidate.
MNAC: Maybe split into a 6 man conference schedule and 8 man conference schedule
Mid-State: No because of GACC.
Niobrara Valley: No
RPAC: No
SPVA: No
Southern: If Heartland gets out, maybe.
Twin Valley: No
Western Trails: No
Could we see Amherst get invited to the LouPlatte soon with their steady growth? Have they been an FKC member for a long time?
Fort Kearny Conference
Amherst
Ansley/Litchfield
Axtell
Elm Creek
Hi-Line
Loomis
Overton
Pleasanton
Sumner-Eddyville-Miller
Wilcox-Hildreth
LouPlatte Conference
Arcadia/Loup City
Central City
Centura
Doniphan-Trumbull
Gibbon
Ord
Ravenna
St. Paul
Wood River
Fort Kearny Conference
Amherst
Ansley/Litchfield
Axtell
Elm Creek
Hi-Line
Loomis
Overton
Pleasanton
Sumner-Eddyville-Miller
Wilcox-Hildreth
LouPlatte Conference
Arcadia/Loup City
Central City
Centura
Doniphan-Trumbull
Gibbon
Ord
Ravenna
St. Paul
Wood River
Their enrollment definitely no longer fits the FKC. Basketball classification enrollment of 58 (top c2, almost C1), the rest of the conference ranges from 24‐36 (D1/D2).
I think they would fit well in the LouPlatte. Slide Bertrand to the FKC from the RPAC.
I don’t mind some of your ideas for conferences, but I do think you should investigate some of them before you throw out ideas. You want the L&C to be split East and west………….
Lewis and Clark is essentially split ‘East-west’ now that they went back to two divisions. It’s also a big-little split.
West/Little:
Plainview
Osmond
Creighton
Bloomfield
Wynot
Winside
Wausa
Randolph
East/Big:
Winnebago
Walthill
Homer
Tri County Northeast
Ponca
Wakefield
LCC
Hartington-Newcastle (they are slightly west of Wynot & Winside, but makes sense for them to slide East from a size standpoint)
OK- this is why I asked because I have a crazy idea. What about a classification system that allowed (in a way) teams to choose their class, and their class (in a way) to choose them?
1. The system comes into effect in the fall of 2025 to give schools time to get to the right place for their school's needs. Of course, other conferences would have to 'choose them' by allowing them into another conference.
2. By fall 2023, conferences are assigned a class by looking at where the majority of their schools are at that time. Though I would argue this is the time to reduce classes to three 11-man, two 8-man, and 6-man. And, down to five classes for volleyball and basketball. All the while being realistic that by 2035 Nebraska probably needs to be at five football classes and back to four classes for everything else.
3. Some conferences might declare separate divisions for football or other specific sports and those divisions would be acknowledged for each sport as long as there are five schools in each division.
4. Schools have chosen a conference where they think they can compete reasonably, where they have geographic and demographic connections, and where they have traditional rivalries.
5. Football schedules would be formed beginning with conference round-robins. Conference championships would be one way into the playoffs with the point system supplying the other teams (like the 1980s).
6. Independents would be assigned by enrollment.
7. Co-ops would have to get conference membership or be assigned by enrollment.
Feel free to tell me all the ways this is crazy.
1. The system comes into effect in the fall of 2025 to give schools time to get to the right place for their school's needs. Of course, other conferences would have to 'choose them' by allowing them into another conference.
2. By fall 2023, conferences are assigned a class by looking at where the majority of their schools are at that time. Though I would argue this is the time to reduce classes to three 11-man, two 8-man, and 6-man. And, down to five classes for volleyball and basketball. All the while being realistic that by 2035 Nebraska probably needs to be at five football classes and back to four classes for everything else.
3. Some conferences might declare separate divisions for football or other specific sports and those divisions would be acknowledged for each sport as long as there are five schools in each division.
4. Schools have chosen a conference where they think they can compete reasonably, where they have geographic and demographic connections, and where they have traditional rivalries.
5. Football schedules would be formed beginning with conference round-robins. Conference championships would be one way into the playoffs with the point system supplying the other teams (like the 1980s).
6. Independents would be assigned by enrollment.
7. Co-ops would have to get conference membership or be assigned by enrollment.
Feel free to tell me all the ways this is crazy.
As someone that grew up in the RCC, I still don't understand why Ralston left the league. I get it, Skutt is good and had an upper hand on the league, but they are still a better fit to me in the RCC.
Isn’t the RCC mostly parochial schools now? Maybe when Beatrice jumped out, that made Ralston not want to be the only non parochial school. I know when the conference was formed they wanted schools with similar demographics. Schools like Ralston, Beatrice, NC, Plattsmouth, etc really aren’t growing. Not sure schools like Wahoo, Platteview and AG fit that though because I can see those schools growing.
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Correct on the RCC, it's currently four parochial schools (Gross, Mount Michael, Roncalli, Skutt) plus South Sioux City.
I always thought that it was weird that Beatrice and SSC were in the same conference. Here you had a cluster of teams from Omaha and then a school in far northeast Nebraska and one in southeast Nebraska.
Its like Ainsworth and Valentine being in the Southwest Conference. Makes no sense at all
With our states' population distribution their always some wierd outliers; Valentine, Ainsworth, North Platte, South Sioux City, etc.
IMO South Sioux City should be grouped in with Norfolk, Fremont, Columbus and maybe even Blair somehow. Maybe add something into the mix like Hastings and GINW. Problem is while that would make sense for SSC why would those other schools want to?
IMO South Sioux City should be grouped in with Norfolk, Fremont, Columbus and maybe even Blair somehow. Maybe add something into the mix like Hastings and GINW. Problem is while that would make sense for SSC why would those other schools want to?
Would it make sense for SSC to be in a conference with the other Sioux City schools? I know Council Bluffs St. Albert used to play in the Centennial with all of the mid-sized eastern Nebraska parochial schools until about 5 to 10 years ago.
Agreed there will always be outliers, it's impossible for their not to be with the population distribution.
But I would not be shocked if Ainsworth left the Southwest and joined the NVC someday.
With the opening of the LNK schools, I was hoping the LPS schools would form their own conference, but with the new schools being locked in at Class B for a few years, that doesn't seem likely. They don't need to have Fremont, Norfolk, Columbus in their league.
Star City Conference:
Lincoln North Star
Lincoln Northeast
Lincoln High
Lincoln East
Lincoln Southeast
Lincoln Pius
Lincoln Southwest
Lincoln Standing Bear*
Lincoln Northwest*
New Heartland:
South Sioux City
Norfolk
Fremont
Columbus
GISH
Kearney
North Platte (if they stay in Class A)
Hastings (if they stay in Class A)
At this point the RCC should take in Omaha Concordia. Concordia played nearly all the RCC schools except Skutt this year.
Skutt
Gross
Roncalli
Concordia
Mt. Michael
Omaha Deschene
Omaha Mercy
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