Shot Clock
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Find your loudest, most obnoxious parent. Pay them to do shot clock. They have to behave themselves at the table. Money well spent! 🤣
Won't be any different than any other score table duties (i.e. game clock, PA, book).
I would imagine though if you posted online you were looking to pay.....someone would step up. Just a hunch.
I would target retired officials. People that really know the game and would require the least amount of training.
They have to be installed or they won’t be able to play a game there
I didn't know what the protocol was. Good to know.
I really need to get over this shot clock thing. I absolutely hate it. May need to look into counseling or something. 😏
The school I help with, we aren't even doing shot clock for JV games.
Correct, it's like putting new tires on a vehicle that has engine problems and expecting the car to run then.
I'd be willing to wager that scoring will not go much, if any.
Just curious, looking through the basketball manual I don't see any distinction on JV vs. V. Nor in the NFHS Shot Clock Guidelines or Operator's Guide posted on the NSAA site.
Not saying it's not true, just curious where you're seeing no shot clock for JV.
I believe I saw something from the NFHS about it. I'll have to see if I can find it again
This is correct. Not even the class A school that have had a shot click for a few years are using it at a lower level. It is an option though.
Coaches that play with it end up loving it for for game flow purposes. Have some buddies in class C. One school played with it over 80% of their games last year. Another wasn’t a fan u til they played a conference tournament game with it for the first time, then the coach started saying ‘yes’ when asked about using it.
So I dont know if many remember but this same slow play or resistance to the shot clock also occurred with the 3 point line, the truth is people resist change The 3 point line the first couple years was played at Varsity level by everyone and some people didn't add it to second gym and some played with it at JV level and some refused to play at the JV level with it. No one play JH with with it. Then year by year it was added at every school at every level and the same will occur with shot clock.
I believe the only change the shot clock will bring will be how teams decide to handle end of the quarter situations. Add in the late game situation where teams won't have to start fouling as early and teams can't go in stall mode. Will be a huge change for some players/coaches/teams.
I have a buddy that officiates a ton of games in central Nebraska. He told me this first year is gonna start kind of rough. First of all every school has to teach someone to run the thing. Kids and coaches will have to adapt to it, which he didn't think would be a big issue. He told me the number one issue will be for some of the reffing crews. He told me he knew several crews that specifically were only taking the lower class games last year so they didn't have to deal with it. He said it is probably more of an adjustment on the refs than anyone. I trust this guy, he's a great official who regularly gets State tourney games. He feels by the second half of the season it should be pretty smooth though. Just will be an adjustment period for all involved.
It really shouldn't be much of an adjustment for the officials. There is a separate clock and horn that notifies of a violation and the only other difference for them in mechanics is using the shot clock for the back court 10-second count, rather than counting themselves.
Getting table workers to be able to run it properly will be the biggest hurdle.
It’s not hard to run at all. You have to pay attention though and that’ll be hard for some. Having run it before, it’s almost comical how many times a small mistake is made and people do t have a clue.
I think you are saying that the physical act of operating the Shot Clock is simple?
Knowing when to reset or not reset is not as easy as it appears from watching games on TV. There are times when I don't notice a shot grazing the rim or a blocked shot at the rim where the ball is deflected toward the rim and therefore should be a reset.
Fixing an incorrectly reset shot clock or an overlooked reset is a pain in the ass. However, as the season goes on the operators will get really good at it. The schools that have a scorers table up on a stage are at an advantage. It is so much easier to see when you have that 4' elevation.
I've run it....it's not too difficult, but you do have to watch the game a bit differently and don't rush to assume a change in possession or a shot attempt per se.
No doubt about it, you watch the game differently. Almost to the degree that you really don't "watch the game".
Someone says "wow, did you see that screen"? Ummmm, no. I didn't. 😅
I've witnessed crowds and coaches getting upset over a 10-second violation and when I went back to the film, the whistle wasn't even blown until 11 seconds, and even 12 seconds.
Guessing the backcourt violation might happen a little more frequently until the players realize that they can glance up at the clock to know how much time they have left.
Guessing the backcourt violation might happen a little more frequently until the players realize that they can glance up at the clock to know how much time they have left.
Remember it’s a full ten seconds. That’s why it takes until 11. Shot clock will improve that. Difference in high school and college though…In high school the ten second count restarts following a timeout, it does not in college. So if someone takes a timeout with 28 seconds on the shot clock the officials will now hand count the 10 seconds and not use the shot clock, as you don’t know if there’s 28.1 or 28.9 when the clock is displaying 28.
False. 10.0 is the beginning of the 11th second. (0-1, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 9-10). You realistically get 9.9 best case.
In NFHS basketball, it is a backcourt violation once the shot clock displays "25". Most shot clocks (if they don't display tenths of a second), especially the Daktronics ones, have a delay in them.....so when started, they don't immediately count down to from 35 to 34......when the clock is at 34.9, it will still display 35. So the clocks will still display "26" when real time is at 25.1. Once it displays 25, it is a violation.
This is correct. You can set the clock up to display tenths of seconds or not once it’s under 10 also. Most people don’t have that because there is no . to show 9.8 and what not. So to avoid confusion most just leave the tenths off.
I think I saw somewhere that the NSAA (or NFHS) does not want tenths of a second displayed at all on high school shot clocks.
Most college and pro shot clocks will display tenths on a shot clock once it reaches below 5 seconds.
Must be a recommendation, and maybe new from NFHS. The NSAA said we could do whatever we wanted on that front when our clocks were installed. We looked at both ways and decided against it since our clock didn’t display the decimal.
Interesting high school playoff game in Illinois
www.si.com
Illinois boys basketball teams holds ball for first 6:59, wins section title game 36-31
If you can’t beat ‘em, frustrate ‘em. Or at least slow them down. And by slow them down, we mean say nothing, do nothing, just hold the ball and stare at them.
Sounds like very good coaching!Interesting high school playoff game in Illinois
Illinois boys basketball teams holds ball for first 6:59, wins section title game 36-31
If you can’t beat ‘em, frustrate ‘em. Or at least slow them down. And by slow them down, we mean say nothing, do nothing, just hold the ball and stare at them.
Shot clock has been a great addition to the game. Glad Nebraska made this move.
And horrible Coaching by the opponent.
It is no secret that I don't like the Shot Clock. I know that people will criticize me for that. I get it.
The argument is the game in Illinois, or Auburn using the same strategy to take down a VERY talented Wahoo team a couple years back. My response was, is, and will always be.....if you want the ball so bad then go take the damn thing. Defense is a part of the game, and is apparently becoming a lost art.
I am going to bet that this coach doesn't publish his teams stats either.
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