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GoSkers3 · Nov 6, 2024

highschoolfootballnut said:
Thats not so at all, you talking first round in SUBs only in a 6 team who may have to travel 3 nights in a row. A simple change makes it only two nights

Better yet - don't allow 3 nights. Don't understand why some districts play it in 3 nights and others in 2 - keep them all on the same nights.

Llama57 · Nov 6, 2024

CB73 said:
Does anybody know if there will be people who will contract out doing shot clock like officials? We are small school and having a very hard time trying to find someone that'll do it.

Find your loudest, most obnoxious parent. Pay them to do shot clock. They have to behave themselves at the table. Money well spent! 🤣

Schmad22 · Nov 6, 2024

St. Paul is open

runningback43 · Nov 6, 2024

I'll be very surprised if that happens.

CB73 · Nov 6, 2024

Does anybody know if there will be people who will contract out doing shot clock like officials? We are small school and having a very hard time trying to find someone that'll do it.

highschoolfootballnut · Nov 6, 2024

Artfour3 said:
if the goal is to get the best 8 teams to state then how long till they only let the top 32 teams go to subs?

great point I would be for a bracket of 32 teams in both basketball and Volleyball

Artfour3 · Nov 6, 2024

if the goal is to get the best 8 teams to state then how long till they only let the top 32 teams go to subs?

highschoolfootballnut · Nov 6, 2024

LTFO said:
So if MHC was not the top seed, they had no one close to them, so they would have to had to travel every night. Would there be the same frustration? probably not. Also in the Cons of the proposal it said, my cause more travel for teams in the east. Agree can't have it both ways.

I would say the best way to amend this proposal is for a six team district to play first round games that are under 180 miles at the highest seed of the first round match up. AND if over 180 miles in the first round of a 6 team sub that plays on three night would be a nutruel site of that match up. Another solution would be to move sub Volleyball districts to the Saturday before playing first and second round games and sub finals on that monday

LTFO · Nov 5, 2024

highschoolfootballnut said:
Thats not so at all, you talking first round in SUBs only in a 6 team who may have to travel 3 nights in a row. A simple change makes it only two nights

So if MHC was not the top seed, they had no one close to them, so they would have to had to travel every night. Would there be the same frustration? probably not. Also in the Cons of the proposal it said, my cause more travel for teams in the east. Agree can't have it both ways.

highschoolfootballnut · Nov 5, 2024

GoSkers3 said:
Just my .02 but we can't have it both ways. If we want the districts to be about getting the 8 best teams to state, then we have to be willing to travel. Serpentining the districts is the only way to make each district "fair" by using the power point system. If you're not willing to travel, then you have to be alright with some loaded districts based off of geography. It is what it is.

Thats not so at all, you talking first round in SUBs only in a 6 team who may have to travel 3 nights in a row. A simple change makes it only two nights

GoSkers3 · Nov 5, 2024

Just my .02 but we can't have it both ways. If we want the districts to be about getting the 8 best teams to state, then we have to be willing to travel. Serpentining the districts is the only way to make each district "fair" by using the power point system. If you're not willing to travel, then you have to be alright with some loaded districts based off of geography. It is what it is.

highschoolfootballnut · Nov 5, 2024

GrizzzlyPanda said:
Also, if I can remember back to last year, I am pretty sure this initial proposal for this system was put in by Centennial, Malcolm, and DC West....all Eastern Schools.

Like I said I like the proposal, just need a quick change on 6 teams subs that play three days in a row, to have first round only games at the closest site Thats it and it will solve the sticking to their vote or guns problem completely and the great system can continue without any issues

GrizzzlyPanda · Nov 5, 2024

GrizzzlyPanda said:
Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't the state tournament a 3 day event? So families will have to "Just stay the night" or drive back home potentially 3 days for the state tournament? I have never heard of that being a problem. Growing up in a school district in Western Nebraska it was a given that come district time you were going to do some serious traveling. However this was never an issue because we were in a conference that you regularly had 3+ hour road trips. Now since then working in the SE and NE part of the state, it is amazing how much of a big deal people make about traveling.
If you take a quick look at the C2-9 Sub and the travel that was done throughout the year excluding Sub districts here are the furthest trips that were made.
ALC @ Doniphan: 1 hr 5 min
Cross County @ Central Valley 1 hr 17 min
Sutton @ David City 1 hr 24 min
Sandy Creek @ Milford 1 hr. 16 min
MHC @ Mullen 2 hr 16 min.
If what is said above previously in this thread about MHC holding the other schools to their vote in favor of the new format, then I am sure they saw the potential travel of the other teams as a huge advantage. I am sure it is also hard for MHC to listen to anyone about travel when they deal with a 40 minute drive one way for practices every day. However, I will say it is interesting, and it is probably some set agreement within the cooperative, but the game could have easily been in Maywood instead of Hayes Center. That would have shortened the trip about 40 minutes.

Also, if I can remember back to last year, I am pretty sure this initial proposal for this system was put in by Centennial, Malcolm, and DC West....all Eastern Schools.

GrizzzlyPanda · Nov 5, 2024

Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't the state tournament a 3-4 day event? So families will have to "Just stay the night" or drive back home potentially 3-4 days for the state tournament? I have never heard of that being a problem. Growing up in a school district in Western Nebraska it was a given that come district time you were going to do some serious traveling. However this was never an issue because we were in a conference that you regularly had 3+ hour road trips. Now since then working in the SE and NE part of the state, it is amazing how much of a big deal people make about traveling.
If you take a quick look at the C2-9 Sub and the travel that was done throughout the year excluding Sub districts here are the furthest trips that were made.
ALC @ Doniphan: 1 hr 5 min
Cross County @ Central Valley 1 hr 17 min
Sutton @ David City 1 hr 24 min
Sandy Creek @ Milford 1 hr. 16 min
MHC @ Mullen 2 hr 16 min.
If what is said above previously in this thread about MHC holding the other schools to their vote in favor of the new format, then I am sure they saw the potential travel of the other teams as a huge advantage. I am sure it is also hard for MHC to listen to anyone about travel when they deal with a 40 minute drive one way for practices every day. However, I will say it is interesting, and it is probably some set agreement within the cooperative, but the game could have easily been in Maywood instead of Hayes Center. That would have shortened the trip about 40 minutes.

Artfour3 · Nov 5, 2024

So, do teams just order state tournament shirts for subs since that's what it has become?

Ponchn7138 · Nov 5, 2024

The travel talk is silly. Set the brackets up correctly, and do not factor travel time. Everyone out west is use to driving, they will be fine. Everyone in the east, you live in Nebraska. Enjoy the country side as you make your way west.

TwinsRRUs · Nov 5, 2024

frostonthegrass said:
After looking over that bracket it looks like Arcadia/loup city trekked to Hayes Center 3 nights in a row?! Yikes, gotta be around 3hours one way.

northeastNebraska said:
The new format gets the best 8 to state. People are making way too big of a deal that Sutton had to go to MayHay and Maxwell had to go Hebron.

highschoolfootballnut said:
I agree is not that much of a problem. The problem was just that Sandy Creek ad Sutton are 14 miles apart and could have played that first round at Sandy creek or Sutton BUT in the end who cares I like the system

It's one thing for the team to have to do it, but what about the fans?

How do you suppose the parents felt about that?

Having to travel 6 hours a day, for 3 days in a row, during the work week?

Pretty damn stupid to even have to consider doing that in order to watch one of your children play, especially if your child is a senior and each game could be their last.

"Just stay the night"... Well, look at the cost of fuel and cost of hotel and loss of 3 days of work. No matter which option you choose, you had better have money saved up and not be poor.

Why is it so important to get the 8 best teams to state (instead of the best 6 or 7 + 1 or 2 others) when it comes at a cost to the school, fans, and parents like this?

We are not a small state. This isn't just Omaha or Lincoln. Can't win your subdistrict due to stiff competition? Win at district finals.

Can't win district finals? Sorry. 12 subdistricts and the remaining top-4 in points go to district finals, right? How does changing the subdistrict to this new system change that?

In the old system, couldn't the 3rd or 4th place team (in a subdistrict with all great teams), still make district finals and have a chance to go to state?

GrizzzlyPanda said:
I think it's fair to say that the format will stay going forward. I think the only true discussion is how long until class D follows suit.

That would be a mistake.

TwinsRRUs · Nov 5, 2024

northeastNebraska said:
The new format gets the best 8 to state. People are making way too big of a deal that Sutton had to go to MayHay and Maxwell had to go Hebron.

Hayes Center Location Travel times:

Arcadia 2hr 50m
Sandy Creek 3hr 11m
Sutton 3hr 20m
Cross County 3hrs 50m
Twins River 4hr 6m

It wasn't just Sutton. It was everyone except the home team in this subdistrict.

frostonthegrass · Nov 4, 2024

After looking over that bracket it looks like Arcadia/loup city trekked to Hayes Center 3 nights in a row?! Yikes, gotta be around 3hours one way.

highschoolfootballnut · Nov 4, 2024

northeastNebraska said:
The new format gets the best 8 to state. People are making way too big of a deal that Sutton had to go to MayHay and Maxwell had to go Hebron.

I agree is not that much of a problem. The problem was just that Sandy Creek ad Sutton are 14 miles apart and could have played that first round at Sandy creek or Sutton BUT in the end who cares I like the system

northeastNebraska · Nov 4, 2024

The new format gets the best 8 to state. People are making way too big of a deal that Sutton had to go to MayHay and Maxwell had to go Hebron.

GrizzzlyPanda · Nov 4, 2024

I think it's fair to say that the format will stay going forward. I think the only true discussion is how long until class D follows suit.

highschoolfootballnut · Nov 4, 2024

TwinsRRUs said:
If true, good for MayHay!

If the East doesn't like it, they can vote for things to go back the way they were.. 🤷🏾

The current system gets the best teams to state, so I am for leaving it and travel when it happens OR amend the rule to allow so less travel chances Either way this system is working very good

TwinsRRUs · Nov 4, 2024

ACICOD said:
Here's the word I've heard:

*The 4 schools playing Monday night asked the NSAA and Maywood-Hayes Center if they could play at an alternate location because of travel.

*Maywood-Hayes Center said no. Their rationale was simple...............of the 6 teams in their sub-district, Maywood-Hayes Center voted no on the proposal for regionals in C1 and C2 volleyball. The other 5 schools all voted for the proposal to pass.

*At the bottom of this proposal, a "con" was that eastern teams may have more travel.

In the end, Maywood-Hayes Center sounds like they held the eastern schools to the vote they made last spring, knowing that this kind of thing could happen.

If true, good for MayHay!

If the East doesn't like it, they can vote for things to go back the way they were.. 🤷🏾

runningback43 · Nov 4, 2024

ACICOD said:
I don't disagree that they could have given some ground on this..............but, let's not pretend all of the schools that voted for this didn't know this was a possibility. It was right in the proposal that this kind of thing could happen.

It seems as though the road only runs from west to east, but as soon as it flips the other way, people start having real problems.

Eastern schools always seem to complain when it comes to traveling to the western schools for a game.

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