I see this passed overwhelmingly in the western district yesterday. Anyone seen any of the votes from the others? To me this was probably the most interesting proposal being voted on this year.
D1/D2/D3 8-Man Football Proposal
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Thats what we need 8 classes of Football in a State less than 2 million total people NO thank you
Not saying I don't agree with you but looking at it, it would make the numbers in those three 8 man classes similar to every other class in the state. I'd argue you could bump C1 into class B and drop C2 into 8man, split 8 man 3 ways and have some really competitive football. That makes it 6 classes.
More than half the schools in Nebraska play 8 man or 6 man. It's the outline of the state. If you are going to have the big schools have classes of 25 and 36 or less it makes sense to create a 3rd class of 8 man. Enrollment numbers will continue to adjust around the state and participation in football continues to change. So should classifications. It will only make schedules and playoff brackets more competitive.
The biggest issue will be keeping scheduling with in the class. D3 would have to play D2 and D2 would have to play D1 or else I do not think they could fill schedules in some parts of the state.
As found on X. The difference in the middle class of 8 man would be 8 kids in schools. There are currently a dozen less 8 man schools than in 1990, so it's can't be that it's growing so fast. Come on now. We don't need another class of football. The two largest NSAA districts voted to raise the 8 man number to 55, and not add a class. At some point we are going to have a few classes....likely A and B, that don't have many schools...maybe 30 in one and 15 in the other. That's ok...
Football will be difficult. Deciding on what size differences from the top school to the bottom school are acceptable in a class will be hard to get people to agree on. I'm saying we don't need a class that the smallest school has 24 kids while the biggest has 32, we can spread that number out a bit, and stop worrying about how many schools are in a class.
Lots of interesting ways to look at this issue for sure. Hell, I'd be all for absorbing class B into A and C-1. The best part of this is the schools get to vote on it. If it's something they feel is viable and necessary it will pass. If not, it won't. One thing I have noticed in the past is a lot of these proposals take a few years to gain any traction. I don't think this issue is going away.
I love how we have class A looking at splitting the class A1/A2 , having a AB playoff & creating bowl games, creating schedules based off last years success, complaining about the transfer portal they created with open enrollment, etc. Then 8 man school wants to simply add a class and its seems like a crazy idea.
This is all literally insane We are about to water down football to the point it means very little
If A/B and D3 passes and everyone gets your way We will have 9 classes of football with the largest class maybe having 40 schools in it and some classes having as little 16 I think class A who should be 32 schools and then B the next 32 and C the next 64 and then D the rest one class and then 6-man Thats it
Maybe you should write up a proposal and see if it passes. If nothing else, it could be the perfect way to stir the pot and get everyone talking about how to save high school football from becoming a watered-down version of itself. Who knows, maybe it'll catch fire and we'll all be thanking you for saving the game!
LOL Okay lets just stay with the sarcasm I will write a proposal that says we have 12 classes of 16 or 16 classes of 16 whatever it takes, all make the playoffs at the start of the year we just mail playoff plaques and we give 16 state titles a year, If your team doesnt win at least half of its games in a three period you can go to a lower class if you want and keep doing it until you win
Haha, now we're talking! I love it—let's just hand out a plaque to every team and call it a day. At this rate, we could just print 'Congratulations on Participating' banners for everyone! And hey, if you're not winning enough, just drop down a class until you get that sweet, sweet state title. We’ll be handing out more trophies than a little league tournament! Maybe throw in a ‘Most Improved’ trophy for every team, too!
Haha, exactly! We’ll have to start calling it the 'Participation Bowl' where every team leaves with a trophy and a ribbon! At this rate, the only thing we’ll need to worry about is running out of space in the trophy case. Maybe we’ll throw in a ‘Best Uniform’ award for extra flair, too. Can’t have a state champ without looking good while doing it!
The thing that needs to be proposed is the NSAA only sets your district schedule and each school's AD sets the rest of their own schedule. Let the school's have some say in who they play every two years. Team's can schedule other teams who they can compete with rather than the NSAA putting the likes of...let's say Omaha Benson against Omaha Westside. Let Omaha Benson schedule team's they can compete with. And team's like Omaha Westside and Millard South can go out of state and play the big boys like a Bishop Gorman if they want.
You know they did this prior to the late 90s. Guess what…no one would play the good teams. Thats why it went to this model. Teams couldn’t fill their schedule. There have always been butt kickings but now it shows up in Class A and people are up in arms. Someone will win, and someone will lose. There will be a biggest school, and unfortunately a smallest in each class.
The hardest part about football is you can be great one year, and no so much the next…at least in every class other than A and outside the metro. Pierce was a state champion 2 years ago, Centennial 6, and so on. In small schools there are ebs and flows. It’s what happens. Never mind that an injury can decimate a team in a hurry.
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Can someone Post that actual proposal?
I have poked around a little bit, but can't find it. I would like to read the actual proposal that was voted on.
Thanks.
I have poked around a little bit, but can't find it. I would like to read the actual proposal that was voted on.
Thanks.
Here is the results from District 2 that also include the original proposal. You just need to scroll down to page 12
A, B C, D9, D8, D6 Pretty Simple. At some point 8 man needs to fade away and go from 9 man to 6 man. Play 9 man on a regular field, drop the tackles and play. The A/B thing is ridiculous. Let teams like Benson opt down like teams do in other classes. This state is a majority sub-11 man state. That's the reality, and saying teams should consolidate is not the answer.
i dont think trying to schedule 4 different forms of football will be easy or needed in any state
I'd be fine with eliminating 8 man and using 9 man for smaller C2 schools and 6 man for the small Class D schools. That would grow C1 back to where it was. Nebraska needs to look forward and 8 man may have some history, but with so many schools on the cusp of being too small for C2, but too big for 6 man, I think its a fit.
Be a cold day in hell before Nebraska HS's vote to eliminate 8 man IMO
I think it would be more likely to change 11 man football into flag football before they eliminate 8 man football in this state.
9 man is the way to go no question about it
8 man is such a horrible brand of football
8 man is such a horrible brand of football
You are trilling now, just FYI it is never going to happen, so go back to South Dakota if thats what you want
Does anyone have a link to the text of the AB proposal that was brought up on the floor? I don't think it is on the NSAA page because it wasn't submitted before the meetings. As I understand it, it was for creating a new class that A and B schools could opt into if they felt they couldn't compete with the top of their class in structural ways. Sounds like an opt-in situation. Like Stu's article says today, I think the top (read recruiting and super teams) need to be legislated as well, but I am not sure the AB proposal is the worst idea.
I was just re-reading the Fremont proposal and am struck by the idea that the A1 schools would have more motivation to play top Class B schools in this format because they are guaranteed a playoff spot. Could create some fun games for fans: Omaha Skutt v Prep, Millard South v Elkhorn North.
I was just re-reading the Fremont proposal and am struck by the idea that the A1 schools would have more motivation to play top Class B schools in this format because they are guaranteed a playoff spot. Could create some fun games for fans: Omaha Skutt v Prep, Millard South v Elkhorn North.
If you follow the link I posted earlier in the thread, I think it's on page 39 of the PDF
What a can of worms this will be First splitting up less than 60 teams into 3 classes is crazy and second are you doing this eventually for all sports an activities, some of these schools student population exceed in play production and other areas,, like soccer and speech so do they now create a AB for every thing since they are beating other schools in that area. Final this is just tell your story to a committee and if they feel bad enough for you Then you get in. No hard numbers No criteria just a panel decides is the most crazy crap I have ever seen Take this format and you will eventually have 9 or 10 classes in every sport and activity in the state and crown 9 or 10 state championships Lets just hand them out at the begining of the season to everyone and call it good.
I'd argue that football is different. Two schools mismatched in play production seldom are threats for serious injury.
I still like the AB proposal more than I thought I would. No playoffs. A chance to play more competitive football games in a meaningful regular season, but, in no way, a way to reach football glory by ducking better teams. I wouldn't even call it another class because of that. It is more like the two schools that opt to play 9-man in South Dakota against schools more like them.
It doesn't do what you suggest at the end. The AB class would be for those teams that don't believe they can compete for a state championship during the current cycle.
Pospisil: OPS leaders worry whether football is 'sustainable' with current scheduling model
With some Omaha Class A schools possibly unable to play football in 2025, this could start a slippery slope from which they never recover. Action must be taken quickly to
Stu Pospisil spoke with some OPS administrators........seems like there is some talk about some of these schools dropping football completely.
make sense in todays world if you cant compete just quit dont try to get betterPospisil: OPS leaders worry whether football is 'sustainable' with current scheduling model
With some Omaha Class A schools possibly unable to play football in 2025, this could start a slippery slope from which they never recover. Action must be taken quickly toomaha.com
Stu Pospisil spoke with some OPS administrators........seems like there is some talk about some of these schools dropping football completely.
Give me this…
Class A: 24 teams
Class B: 32 teams
Class C: 64 teams
Class D1 (9man): 60 teams
Class D2 (8Man): 60 teams
Class D3 (6 man): remaining.
Class A: 24 teams
Class B: 32 teams
Class C: 64 teams
Class D1 (9man): 60 teams
Class D2 (8Man): 60 teams
Class D3 (6 man): remaining.
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