The overall power structure in Class C2 has been and still is in NE Nebraska, several districts that have teams in the playoffs could not compete in NE districts. Hartington CC, LHNE and even a 3-6 Ponca would win Elmwood Murdock and Tri County districts. The other problem is that all the bad teams beat each other and gives teams division 2 wins, for example a very mediocre at best Southern HS finished 5-4 and others like HTRS, Malcolm etc.... Obviously Southern should not be a division 2 win. Teams like Bergan, Talbott benefit from these teams, Bergan and Talbott barely survived against Logan View, which was destroyed by the better teams, Aquinas, Stanton and others. Something has to be done to fix this.
SE NE football in C2 and weak districts
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They did it was called 32 team playoffs and everybody cried about bad teams (those with poor records) getting in. So now we are back to 16 team playoff and those teams will be left out.
32 teams is too many, playoffs spots shouldn't be handed out. It sucks for Stanton and all the other teams in northeast NE that no doubt would go 9-0 in southeast Nebraska.
My point is why have districts champs? Just have the top 16 teams in point standings go to the playoffs.
The point was that bad teams are still helping other mediocre teams get in because the competition level is so bad. look at bridgeport that got a level 2 win for beating a poor team from wyoming. Twin River or Logan View might be level 1 teams in Wyoming, I think the 24 team playoff makes more sense.
24 teams could work, (I don't know how coaches would feel about having a bye) but anymore than that is overkill. I still think 16 is a good number, 32 teams was too many.
What is the difference between blowing out a weak team in week 9 of regular season or game one of the playoffs? Gives somebody a chance and there are no deserving teams that get left out. Only people who should complain are the ones who only get 8 games (left out of playoffs) because they are not very good and most of those teams are probably ok with only having to play 8 versus 9 games. 32 to teams is the answer to this problem of being left out; nobody wants a bye week at this point in the season. The real solution is don't lose and if you do live with it and move on.
I say we scrap the 16 team playoff brackets, go to 32. Seed them 1-32 and then reseed after the qualifying round 1-16. Call the qualifying round sub-state or some other fancy name. This is the best way to make sure that the best 16 teams are in the playoffs.
Some teams are hindered and some teams are helped by geographic location. It is that way for all sports. We could have the same argument about softball or basketball.
Every year there are teams who make the state tournament who should not be there.
There are only three or four teams who have a chance to realistically win the state championship. Two of those teams will be playing in Lincoln at the end.
Every year there are teams who make the state tournament who should not be there.
There are only three or four teams who have a chance to realistically win the state championship. Two of those teams will be playing in Lincoln at the end.
I agree with a little bit from all of you. Being out west would like to have a 9 game season to be on same playing field as everyone else. Which would make a huge difference one way or the other in points. 16 team playoff but district champs Not automatic, go with top 16 in points. Looking at the wildcard points, that would get 99% of teams in.
I feel bad for the Stanton players BUT its funny that there own Admin voted this in to 16 teams
It isnt just about Stanton, but anyone that knows football realizes that they are a top ten team in C2 that is sitting at home, they are the only team that gave BC a game. I dont think many teams, especially oakland would want to see them again. They basically gift wrapped a win for oakland the first time by giving them 5 fumbles. There just has to be a better way.
I don't think there is any doubt that football in the NE is played at a higher level than in the SE. But, having spent time in both areas, I can also say that I don't think that that is necessarily a feather in the cap of the schools in the NE. One (that I know of) team practices on Sunday afternoons for 3-4 hours. Another practices for well over 3 hours (every night). One coach of a "successful" NE football program has tried forcing his players to play after having suffered concussions (including calling one player a "pussy", when a player refused to play after suffering 2 concussions in the same week). In all of those schools, it is a stated (not implied) fact that if you do not lift weights (year round- and attend the specified conditioning activities), you will not play (something that- I believe- is a violation of NSAA rules). And those are just the schools that I am familiar with; who knows how much of that stuff goes on in the NE. Down south, however, I've never heard of any of those kinds of things happening. By the way, it is a known fact that in one of the most successful programs in the NE the players are heavy drinkers- and it is approved of by the head coach- as long as they don't do it during the football season.
I think that if the NSAA ever REALLY did a thorough investigation of every school and their compliance policies, there's be alot of shocked people.
All that being said, I think there are some schools in the NE who do things the right way (Crofton and West Holt come to mind, among others) and are still pretty successful football programs. Because the bar in that area is so high, many teams have to raise their own level of competition. On the other hand, in the SE, if you can get your kids to lift and work hard- that almost guarantees you a 7 win season.
I think that if the NSAA ever REALLY did a thorough investigation of every school and their compliance policies, there's be alot of shocked people.
All that being said, I think there are some schools in the NE who do things the right way (Crofton and West Holt come to mind, among others) and are still pretty successful football programs. Because the bar in that area is so high, many teams have to raise their own level of competition. On the other hand, in the SE, if you can get your kids to lift and work hard- that almost guarantees you a 7 win season.
While I sympathize with quality teams who play a rugged schedule and don't make it in at 7-2, even 6-3, this discussion will never end. It happened (and still does) in D1 and D2 with teams getting pushed out because of points.
At some point, don't we use this as a teaching point, in that sometimes life doesn't work out the way it should? Aren't we molding kids to get ready for life, where life isn't always fair? Where not everyone makes the playoffs? Where even if you're the better candidate, you may not get the job because of factors out of your hands?
Again, I understand a 16-team playoff isn't perfect, nor a 32-team one. There may be a better system out there. But odds are, there isn't a perfect system. That's just life. It's good for kids to learn that early on. Many don't get it at home, I know that.
At some point, don't we use this as a teaching point, in that sometimes life doesn't work out the way it should? Aren't we molding kids to get ready for life, where life isn't always fair? Where not everyone makes the playoffs? Where even if you're the better candidate, you may not get the job because of factors out of your hands?
Again, I understand a 16-team playoff isn't perfect, nor a 32-team one. There may be a better system out there. But odds are, there isn't a perfect system. That's just life. It's good for kids to learn that early on. Many don't get it at home, I know that.
This might be the craziest post I have ever read.
The issue isn't the district champion getting in, its the points system. When you beat a Division 4 team (0-9, 1-2, 2-7), you get 41 points. When you get beat by a Division 1 team (7-2, 8-1, 9-0), you only get 36. Why doesn't the state use the same system they use for basketball? It is a crime when a team loses two games to top teams, beats the pants off the rest of their schedule and doesn't qualify. Then another team spends the whole season winning games vs easy competition and gets in. When the state dictates the schedules, it ties a team's hands when the point system doesn't reward tough schedules they have no control over.
Football
Division 1 2 3 4
WIN 50 - 47 - 44 - 41
LOSS 36 - 33 - 30 - 27
Basketball
Division 1 2 3 4
WIN 50 - 47 - 44 - 41
LOSS 39 - 36 - 33 - 30
Football
Division 1 2 3 4
WIN 50 - 47 - 44 - 41
LOSS 36 - 33 - 30 - 27
Basketball
Division 1 2 3 4
WIN 50 - 47 - 44 - 41
LOSS 39 - 36 - 33 - 30
HuskerMadder,
You may want to be careful about what you're posting. You are throwing a lot of so called 'facts' out here without any merit. If what you're saying is true, this program would have been shut down a long time ago, coaches fired, probably some legal actions. Sounds to me like you're tired of getting your butt kicked by this program.
You may want to be careful about what you're posting. You are throwing a lot of so called 'facts' out here without any merit. If what you're saying is true, this program would have been shut down a long time ago, coaches fired, probably some legal actions. Sounds to me like you're tired of getting your butt kicked by this program.
Agree with you. That is a lot of excuses why the SE isn't winning and also zero facts
Actually, I was a member of the coaching staff of that program. And, yes, I reported it to the administration. But as long as the head coach wins football games, that's all that matters. (I resigned from the staff after that season)
Yes there are a lot of very good football programs in Northeast Nebraska and I will concede that right now, C2-5 is probably, top to bottom, the toughest district, but please don't forget that the big prize-the championship trophy- hasn't been north of the Platte River in 5 years.
I agree with the points discussion, a level 1 and 2 loss should be worth more, not sure if anything will change. I also do not like comments made by angry people who may or may not have had a bad experience. Simply put the better football is in ne part of state for C2 and some private schools have had success, that is another topic. lets see how the playoffs shake out, one thing is for sure, elmwood murdock is in for a rude awakening!!
That was one year, and to say that an all star team could not beat them is a stretch, u must be from down there and that type of bias is normal, lets see how they would do if they played BC, Hartington CC, LHNE, Stanton, Oakland and many others on a year by year basis.
That's a pretty tough pocket to play in also. They usually play St. Pats, St Cecelia, Sutton, and Hershey on a year to year basis. Doesn't really fit the southeast to Northeast comparison of the thread either but don't sell that area short.
Does that make them not tough schools to play? You mentioned Hartington CC and Lutheran High Northeast so what's the difference?
If this was actually true, you would continue to voice concerns and actually say who u are talking about,
obviously private schools make it more difficult, most titles are won by private schools, the thread was started to simply state that more quality football is being played northeast nebraska compared to other parts of the state, especially in SE nebraska. The playoffs should include the best teams
If huskermadder knew his stuff he wouldn't hide who it is so they could have a chance at rebuttle. He's lying. That's a bunch of jealous fan hear-say.
Maybe not as big of a stretch as you think. I admit the planets aligned for DT that year but I'm telling you that was a machine. And no I'm not from there. Just trying to make a point. I get tired of people implying that there's some secret draft of all the top players that only private schools participate in. DT kicked my private school's butt that year. Battle Creek's too remember?
I hate to nitpick but I'd hardly say that most titles are won by private schools. I think C-1 has had a lot but look at the other classes and you probably don't see that significant of a number. Hell C-2 has only 6 private school champs in the playoff era.
4 of last 5 in C2 and it is only going to get worse, unless from time to time a DT, BC or other school can put a good run together, i bet they would play a private school to win it and at least two of them in semi final round.
Unfortunately that's what the majority of discussions turn into. As a Mustang alum, these are not the thoughts of the community. They knew they had to win certain games and they didn't, so we they move on. I think it is ridiculous to attack southeast Ne football. When we played, we faced Elmwood-Murdock. Our coaches had the utmost respect for that team and said Coach Schmale (sp) was one of the best around. I went to their Freeman playoff game last year and Freeman had 3 of the best football players I'd seen in some time (QB, RB,O-Lineman). I say congratulations to Yutan and Omaha-Brownell Talbot, obviously teams/programs on the rise. Anyone who knows football would never call out Bergan, they are the well coached and have great kids. Good Luck to all teams in the playoffs they earned their way and deserve to be there.
I have spent more than 20 years as either a high school coach or official. I'm not a "fan"... and I'm not "hiding" anything. When I was directly involved with those programs that did those things, I took my concerns to the administrations. That's how those things are supposed to be handled. What they did with those concerns... was up to them.
You can believe... or not. Makes no difference to me.
I'd love a North of the Platte River vs South of of the Platte River all star game.
It'd be entertaining that's for sure!
It'd be entertaining that's for sure!
