It doesn't really bother me either way. All, Some, or None are all fine with me.
I used those guys for the reasons you mentioned. They didn't benefit from the shot clock, but were smart enough to know the implementation of the shot clock didn't eliminate good coaching. I probably should have included a current coach like Tony Bennet in my list. Keyboard warriors man. Plenty of them.
This makes zero sense. The only person that benefits from a shot clock is the one with better players. Removes coaching from the equation. Absolutely zero strategic acumen needed. It doesn't allow you to tailor your offense for your personnel, force a team out of a zone, none of it. You maybe need to reflect on the words of John Wooden: "Never mistake activity for achievement". Altering the high school game would be active...and achieve nothing. Nobody can even tell me what's wrong with the game! Basically it comes down to a better coached, but less talented team might be able to hang in there with a poorly coached team. And...we can't allow that. Not at all sure what you mean by "keyboard warriors"... If that was supposed to be an insult, I'll just consider myself insulted, ok? 🤣
If all classes in Montana can do it, Nebraska can.
Firmly disagree with this. Tony Bennet's Virginia team was the most talented team in the nation a few years ago. They also played about as slow as any team in the nation. Maryland-Baltimore County beat them. I think it was like a 20 point game. Nobody can convince me Tony Bennet didn't get out coached that game. The shot clock doesn't change the ability for quality coaches to impact the game. The suggestion is far fetched at best.
Elm Creek was up 10 after 3 quarters. They completely fell apart.
To me, the Wahoo vs Auburn game is a good example of why to NOT have a shot clock.
Then you're disagreeing with the very men you tried to use as your justification for the shot clock.
Probably not so well. 😶
Wahoo has a 27 point win over the 8 seed in class B (Bennington), a 32 point and 20 point win over the #2 seed in class B (Platteview), a 15 point win over the 5 seed in class B (Crete), and a 22 point win over one of the semi finalists and #3 seed in Class C1 (Ashland-Greenwood). Wahoo would be just fine competing against the top teams in B for sure.
So Auburn is better than all of those teams you are referencing? Obviously Auburn is better than Wahoo, we just saw that. So is Auburn also just fine in B?
Correct, which means Freeman are the kings of B as well since they beat Auburn both times they played.
Auburn vs Wahoo proves your point, and it's a good point.
Why? What "problem" does it solve? How does it IMPROVE the game? A simpler, one size fits all rule for a declining, less elegant, and simple-minded society might be inevitable, but we can all stop pretending it's any sort of improvement. It's every bit as brain dead as requiring a football team to pass every other down, a "shot clock" on wrestling takedowns, or anything like that. The only people it helps are "fans" who don't understand strategic thinking and guys that can't coach. It may very well be "inevitable", but it won't be better.
I would contend they are certainly better coached than those teams. Clearly.
Football has a play clock that forces you to run something every 40 seconds or 25 seconds, depending on the circumstances of how the previous play ended. If you don't run something successful after 4 plays, you lose the ball. Wrestling has stall warnings that give points to the opposing team/wrestler.
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And Freeman must be even better coached than Auburn!!! Clearly.
That's another invalid analogy. There are RULES preventing the defense from forcing anything on the offense. In basketball a good coach has EVERY opportunity to take the ball away and force the action in a wide variety of ways. In football I can't even encroach on the line of scrimmage...ever. BB has a way better stall warning than the opinion of an official. It's called the scoreboard. Wrestling you have to compete. Nothing says you EVER have to truly attempt a takedown. A shot clock would force a guy with a significant lead to have to "shoot" regardless of the situation.
Certainly could be. Although a one time game probably isn't the best judge of that. Clearly. I guarantee when Freeman is ahead in a close game they aren't chucking up stupid, low precentage shots! I'm sorry Coach Weeks is way better than your coach.
See links below for how a shot clock has improved basketball.
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What is more alarming than anything to me is that "HighPlainsCoach" joined in 2003, which means he is a grown man and he is on here taking shots at high school kids. No clue who he is, but I'd love to know. What is your name, sir? And where are you from?2nd straight year Wahoo has seriously gagged as the #1. Bet they like my idea of using the old, wildcard method.
I'm sure that's just some liberal medias story. Him right, you wrong! 🙄See links below for how a shot clock has improved basketball.
'It's improved the game': Players, coaches say shot clock implementation has had positive effect in first year
With the implementation of shot clocks for high school basketball this year, players, coaches, and athletic directors from the Flathead Valley shared their thoughts on the change.
Coaches Network: Rule Changes
There was much talk during the NCAA Tournament about the possibility of changing the college shot clock to 24 seconds. The college game currently employs a 35-second shot clock. The National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) does not regulate the use of any shot clock –...www.usab.com
Also, interesting that you were ready to declare Jackson Weeks as a better coach than the guys at Platteview, Wahoo, Crete, Bennington, Ashland-Greenwood based on Auburn's 1 win over Wahoo...but Freeman beating Auburn 2 times doesn't move your needle.
You're working yourself up something fierce. Working so hard in fact, that you're putting words in my mouth. Didn't say anything about a needle. I fully admitted that Freeman beating Auburn could mean they are better coached. Know very little about Freeman. No doubt they are very well coached. So well coached, in fact, that I'm reasonably certain they wouldn't engage in a style of play, or pace, that didn't benefit them. What their wins over Auburn would seem to indicate is that they either:See links below for how a shot clock has improved basketball.
'It's improved the game': Players, coaches say shot clock implementation has had positive effect in first year
With the implementation of shot clocks for high school basketball this year, players, coaches, and athletic directors from the Flathead Valley shared their thoughts on the change.
Coaches Network: Rule Changes
There was much talk during the NCAA Tournament about the possibility of changing the college shot clock to 24 seconds. The college game currently employs a 35-second shot clock. The National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) does not regulate the use of any shot clock –...
Also, interesting that you were ready to declare Jackson Weeks as a better coach than the guys at Platteview, Wahoo, Crete, Bennington, Ashland-Greenwood based on Auburn's 1 win over Wahoo...but Freeman beating Auburn 2 times doesn't move your needle.
"Shots" at high school kids? Really? Even you'll be hard pressed to find anything like that. 🤣 Again, I'm sorry your team got outcoached badly. Not sure what else I can say.
You can say your name, that's a start. Man enough to take a jab at Wahoo...saying they "gagged" for a second year in a row. They are 15-18 year old kids, man. Lets get your name out there so they know who is talking about them
Which kid is Wahoo? You are offended by "gagged"? You like "choked" better? What possible term wouldn't offend you so seriously? "Wahoo, despite universally being acclaimed as having the best team in C1, being overwhelming, prohibitive favorites, again lost in the first round of the State Tournament to teams that were considered to be far weaker." Is that better? 😇 I could have added something about coaching. Maybe mentioned the blood pressure of overwrought Dads unable to come to grips with irrelevance and reality. In all honesty I could have worded it more delicately, but it is exactly what it is. If you don't think the kids and coaches aren't thinking the same things, you're even crazier than I think. As for who I am? Why don't you start. That will tell us about this irrational rage that's went from Shot Clock to the term "gagged" and whatnot. Tell us exactly who you are and maybe I'll contact you. Maybe I won't. Internet Tough Guys and bullies bore me.
I disagree with this statement. The difference is in basketball, the defending team has actions they can take to cause action (or clock stoppage) like applying pressure or fouling.
They may very well be. A valid argument could certainly be made.
So to me the 4 best teams won today. I do think freeman vs cedar winner will win it all. Really impressive players today. Freeman 2 and 32. Cedar 24 and 15. Amherst 3 and 23. And 1 for tri county.
I get what you are saying, but honestly I only remember this in the Lower Class Girls Games. I believe Falls City tried it for a large part of the 2nd half last Saturday?
I don’t understand the strategy argument it makes little sense to me.
