Pierce vs West Point

[Coach PowerT]

I fully expect Pierce to win this game but was an interesting game.

Pierce has no bigger fan than Norfolk Catholic this week. With a Pierce loss, Norfolk Catholic is likely out of the playoffs. (Especially if Lakeview gets beat by Adams Central this week as well)

How crazy that in 2016 instead of Pierce trying to ruin NC's season by beating them. They can ruin the NC run by taking a loss?

I'm keeping close watch on this game. Brahmer has a nice "win-win" situation in this game.

 

[Artfour3]

Crazy situation...

 

[huskerfan1414]

You better believe Brahmer is doing everything in his power to win this game and not worrying at all about implications it may have for NC.
I too think it's an interesting and crazy situation but this is no win-win situation for Pierce, it's a win-loss situation. They want to win.

 

[HUSKER10]

Actually, wouldn't it be better for WP to win? That would move WP to 5-wins (2-tier) and more points for NC. Pierce wins it would be at two wins and that doesn't change the power points for NC. Win or lose the points stay the same for Pierce. If WP loses the points stay the same but if WP wins then points go from 44 to 47 for NC.

Maybe a I'm wrong.

 

[northeastNebraska]

I'm happy to see WPB getting better on the football field. They've needed a culture change there for a long time.

But Pierce wins this game at home I think. They have played a heck of a schedule.

 

[Big Red Thoughts]

I fully expect Pierce to win this game but was an interesting game.

Pierce has no bigger fan than Norfolk Catholic this week. With a Pierce loss, Norfolk Catholic is likely out of the playoffs. (Especially if Lakeview gets beat by Adams Central this week as well)

How crazy that in 2016 instead of Pierce trying to ruin NC's season by beating them. They can ruin the NC run by taking a loss?

I'm keeping close watch on this game. Brahmer has a nice "win-win" situation in this game.

Pierce wins last two and WPB loses last two, ultimately points will be the same, NC is getting extra points for WPB since they have a winning record, they will lose those points and pick them up from Pierce if they get to 3 wins.

 

[bigredhoops]

Pierce wins because they are not vintage Pierce but they are better. Who will QB this for Pierce? Adams Central will not beat Lakeview. Be a shame if NC did not get into playoffs. They are one of the top 6 teams in state.

 

[northeastNebraska]

Pierce wins because they are not vintage Pierce but they are better. Who will QB this for Pierce? Adams Central will not beat Lakeview. Be a shame if NC did not get into playoffs. They are one of the top 6 teams in state.

Catholic needs to make the playoffs. Losing to at Neumann, at Wahoo and O'Neill by a combined 13 points is crazy. All four are 7-0.

 

[Football2002]

Catholic needs to make the playoffs. Losing to at Neumann, at Wahoo and O'Neill by a combined 13 points is crazy. All four are 7-0.

Aren't you the one who last year argued against a 32-team playoff by saying that 6-3 teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs? If they want to be in the playoffs, they should just win their games? My argument was for teams like this that end up 6-3 and lose to 3 great teams. AND, I do understand that 3-6, 4-5 should not really be considered playoff teams, but I'd rather have them in the playoffs, then really good 6-3's or 7-2's not get in. Just my opinion.

 

[1000yd.guy]

Norfolk Catholic will be in the playoffs.

 

[northeastNebraska]

Aren't you the one who last year argued against a 32-team playoff by saying that 6-3 teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs? If they want to be in the playoffs, they should just win their games? My argument was for teams like this that end up 6-3 and lose to 3 great teams. AND, I do understand that 3-6, 4-5 should not really be considered playoff teams, but I'd rather have them in the playoffs, then really good 6-3's or 7-2's not get in. Just my opinion.

I argued 3-6, 4-5, 5-4 teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Sure a lot of 6-3 teams in my opinion don't deserve to be in it (because of weak districts and schedules.) Example: With the schedule Fairbury has played compared to NC they'll make playoffs at 8-1 or 7-2. Don't tell NC wouldn't take them to the woodshed. Catholic has three loses and they are just barely behind the Jeff's in points.

I'll stand by the 16 team playoff and will continue to do so. Sure some teams will get left at home but that happens.

Put NC in 6 of the 8 districts across Nebraska they win it hands down. It's sad when a team like Lincoln Lutheran, Fairburt or Falls City could make playoffs over NC. Catholic would beat them by 4 scores easy.

If Catholic gets in as a 16 or 15 seed don't be surprised to see an upset.

 

[northeastNebraska]

Aren't you the one who last year argued against a 32-team playoff by saying that 6-3 teams don't deserve to be in the playoffs? If they want to be in the playoffs, they should just win their games? My argument was for teams like this that end up 6-3 and lose to 3 great teams. AND, I do understand that 3-6, 4-5 should not really be considered playoff teams, but I'd rather have them in the playoffs, then really good 6-3's or 7-2's not get in. Just my opinion.

Plus not many 6-3 teams lose to three top 5 teams in Class C1 by a touchdown or less.

People last year made the arguement for Arcadia-Loup City going 7-2. But their opponents went a combined 18-45. Sorry but that's not good enough and they got boatraced by the two good teams they played.

I just think the top 16 teams in points should get in. Districts shouldn't matter.

 

[Football2002]

I think Stanton's 7-2 was also in that argument.

I agree with you that NC should get in. I disagree with you that ALC and Stanton should not. Margin of victory/loss was taken out of the formula in the late 70's early 80's, I believe. So, while the "eye-test" sees the difference between a close game and a blow-out, the formula can't. In my opinion, I'd rather have them in with a chance as opposed to out with no chance (and a 7-2 record).

 

[hailvictors2]

Catholic has had 3 chances to beat a good team, they haven't done it. They are probably one of the best 16 teams in the state, but they haven't done anything to deserve getting in. That isn't opinion, that is fact. Their 4 wins are against teams that are 9-18. Thats not impressive no matter how you sugar coat it.

 

[hailvictors2]

Plus not many 6-3 teams lose to three top 5 teams in Class C1 by a touchdown or less.

People last year made the arguement for Arcadia-Loup City going 7-2. But their opponents went a combined 18-45. Sorry but that's not good enough and they got boatraced by the two good teams they played.

I just think the top 16 teams in points should get in. Districts shouldn't matter.

The record of the teams ALC beat last year was 18-45. That is a 28.5% winning percentage. They lost 2 games....1 to West Holt 14-7 and one to Gibbon 40-6. A 14-7 loss is hardly getting "boatraced", but that is irrelevant. Norfolk Catholic's wins are against teams that are a combined 9-18. A 33.33% winning percentage. Doesn't seem that different to me. Again, NC is a great team and they would beat several playoff teams....but what have they done to get in? Why are they different than ALC or Stanton last year?

 

[northeastNebraska]

The record of the teams ALC beat last year was 18-45. That is a 28.5% winning percentage. They lost 2 games....1 to West Holt 14-7 and one to Gibbon 40-6. A 14-7 loss is hardly getting "boatraced", but that is irrelevant. Norfolk Catholic's wins are against teams that are a combined 9-18. A 33.33% winning percentage. Doesn't seem that different to me. Again, NC is a great team and they would be several playoff teams....but what have they done to get in? Why are they different than ALC or Stanton last year?

I understand your points but you put Wahoo, Bishop Neumann and O'Neill on their list their opponent record is 30-18. They lost to them all by less then a TD. Two on the road as well. ALC didn't play three top 5 teams in their respective class.

I know we are just nitpicking and I like a good discussion but I feel like the Norfolk Catholic situation this year is really an outlier that won't happen too often.

 

[hailvictors2]

I'll trust the 1,000 yard guy. He says that Catholic will get in, so I will go with that.

 

[Alum-Ni]

I think its going to be very, very close in regards to Catholic getting in

 

[retnuh07]

Can anyone remember a 10 seed or lower winning a state title?

 

[hdendzonecam]

Not only will Norfolk Catholic make the playoffs, they will be around a 12 seed depending on how some games turn out.

 

[Big Red Thoughts]

I think Stanton's 7-2 was also in that argument.

I agree with you that NC should get in. I disagree with you that ALC and Stanton should not. Margin of victory/loss was taken out of the formula in the late 70's early 80's, I believe. So, while the "eye-test" sees the difference between a close game and a blow-out, the formula can't. In my opinion, I'd rather have them in with a chance as opposed to out with no chance (and a 7-2 record).

Stanton was a very good quality team that was left out due to a weak schedule, They played Battle Creek to their closest regular season game and were turnover plagued in a loss to oakland craig. They basically handled everyone else easily. They would have made some noise in the playoffs. This year they have had some bad luck, playing in the toughest district in C2, trick play and turnovers cost them against LHNE, Outgained Crofton, but couldnt finish drives and arguably handled Hartington CC up front and lost on a blocked punt and strange kickoff that they didnt cover. Still have a chance at playoffs if they can somehow beat BC this Thursday. I can tell you what, I have seen them play a couple of times and no one would want to see them in the playoffs.

 

[Alum-Ni]

Not only will Norfolk Catholic make the playoffs, they will be around a 12 seed depending on how some games turn out.

Well there you go, I thought it might be dicier than that for them. Thanks!

 

[coffeedrinker11]

Stanton is a good team and I would like to see them in the playoffs this year but I don't think they will get in. I expect BC to handle them this weekend. I went to the Stanton/Hartington game on Friday, and I thought the line play was pretty even with Hartington winning the first half and Stanton the second. Hartington turned the ball over twice within the Stanton 10. Stanton returned a punt for a TD that showcased their top back. C2-4 had a 21-3 record against out of district opponents this year and Stanton is the fourth best team in the district. What I find interesting is looking at the Huskerland top ten C2 - Assuming Hartington wins they are the district champ and yet Huskerland has both Battle Creek and Crofton ranked ahead of them. I went to the Battle Creek/Hartington game that Hartington won 12-7. I thought Hartington handled BC up front. The BC starting QB was out, but at the Yutan game BC only threw the ball twice so I'm not sure passing is a big part of their game. I think Hartington held them to under 70 yards rushing. They had two big interceptions by their ILB, Hillis, one he took in for TD, the other he returned for about 70 and was tackled by Wyatt Hammer with a diving trip tackle. Their weakness looked to me to be their offense. Saw one Crofton game and their line looked strong so I am assuming that's where they make their money. The C2-4 games I've seen have been very physical. I'm looking forward to the BC/Stanton game on Thursday night. It will be the third BC game I've seen this year.

 

[ClkTwr2011]

Not only will Norfolk Catholic make the playoffs, they will be around a 12 seed depending on how some games turn out.

Agreed. There is a lot of football to be played yet. If they win their last game, there should be no issues with them getting in.

 

[Big Red Thoughts]

Stanton is a good team and I would like to see them in the playoffs this year but I don't think they will get in. I expect BC to handle them this weekend. I went to the Stanton/Hartington game on Friday, and I thought the line play was pretty even with Hartington winning the first half and Stanton the second. Hartington turned the ball over twice within the Stanton 10. Stanton returned a punt for a TD that showcased their top back. C2-4 had a 21-3 record against out of district opponents this year and Stanton is the fourth best team in the district. What I find interesting is looking at the Huskerland top ten C2 - Assuming Hartington wins they are the district champ and yet Huskerland has both Battle Creek and Crofton ranked ahead of them. I went to the Battle Creek/Hartington game that Hartington won 12-7. I thought Hartington handled BC up front. The BC starting QB was out, but at the Yutan game BC only threw the ball twice so I'm not sure passing is a big part of their game. I think Hartington held them to under 70 yards rushing. They had two big interceptions by their ILB, Hillis, one he took in for TD, the other he returned for about 70 and was tackled by Wyatt Hammer with a diving trip tackle. Their weakness looked to me to be their offense. Saw one Crofton game and their line looked strong so I am assuming that's where they make their money. The C2-4 games I've seen have been very physical. I'm looking forward to the BC/Stanton game on Thursday night. It will be the third BC game I've seen this year.

Actually, Hartington turned it over once inside the Stanton 10, an interception After the first drive of the game, Hartington really struggled to move the ball consistently and not at all after the middle of 3rd quarter. Stanton also dropped a touchdown and with their turnovers, basically handed them two scores. Against Crofton, Stanton struggled to score in Crofton zone and outgained them, lost to LHNE on a trick play and really were in control and turned it over late. Just overall bad luck with finishing drives and games all around. BC has been throwing the ball a little more lately in situations. As far as the rankings go, Crofton beat Hartington CC and losing a starting quarterback (BC) is huge in a game, especially with the fact CC beat BC basically on two interceptions. It is a fun district to watch some games this year, most are very competitive and physical. Put many of these teams elsewhere and they are all in, Ponca at full strength is very good and they will end with a losing record.