I agree with many of the responses here. This is an attack on Private schools period. Private schools are doing it right. Success in the classroom, field, court, volunteering, fundraising, community focus, faith, etc. And doing it on less money. Instead of wasting time on crap like this why don't those administrators of pissed of public schools find some ways to get our children better educated and more involved in their communities. Changing a 'number' system doesn't fix anything that our schools are lacking. Call your legislator and call for forced consolidation of public schools. We should have done this long ago. Property taxes are out of control! Small schools are suffering and will continue to 'not compete' until major radical changes are made.
Thoughts....
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This proposal failed in the following Districts this past week: 1, 2
This proposal passed in the following Districts this past week: 4, 5, 6
District 3 did not have results posted
This means that it will move on to the January District Meetings where it will need to pass in at least 4 districts to move on to the next phase
This proposal passed in the following Districts this past week: 4, 5, 6
District 3 did not have results posted
This means that it will move on to the January District Meetings where it will need to pass in at least 4 districts to move on to the next phase
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Easy solution to all of this, get rid of all sports in schools. Go all club, even the kids that get cut from their high school can find a team. Every time I see this private vs. public argument it makes me believe the club route even more. Let the schools get back to what they where created for an education.
That should help participation numbers-- NOT-- and anyways if you lose the vote and dont get your way you can just riot in the streets and cry. : )
I realize that you are injecting sarcasm here, but must admit I have thought about this myself.
I have come to the conclusion that there are too many families that lack the financial means to participate at the Club level. Athletics offers so much beyond wins and losses, and often times the families that lack financial means are the ones that need athletics the most.
Actually...good post.
I agree that sports teach more then winning and losing. As for families cannot afford clubs is not true. If a kid is good enough there are ways of the fee getting paid. In fact some clubs have scholarship money or some clubs have sponsors that pay for everything. Anyway I agree with you I am just tired of the arguing over private vs. public.
I understand that we are both coming from the same place here, and I absolutely get sick of the public/private arguments.
I just want to point out that the "sponsored" or "scholarship" club team player actually goes right back to the public school belief that the good parochial athletes don't pay.
http://newschannelnebraska.com/loca...a-schools-reject-proposed-enrollment-changes/
Hopefully the rest of the districts follow suit. Would be suprised if they dont.
Hopefully the rest of the districts follow suit. Would be suprised if they dont.
What about a school like Doniphan? 12 miles from Hastings, 12 miles from Grand Island. Do they get dinged twice? If this mess passes the unintended consequences...
The "examples" of the private school giving athletic scholarships are not to be found. You are right, the school itself can't afford it. I will not give the name of the school or where because it throws the school and the kid under the bus. The specific examples that I know of are 1) A well-to-do booster paid the tuition for a football player, 2) A teaching/coaching position was offered with the condition that you bring your boys to school here, 3) A house that was owned by a booster was rent free for the family if the student participated in basketball. I know that someone will throw out "name specifics, name specifics". I won't do that and you can use that to deride me if you want. It happens. There is an old quote I once heard "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." You are right in two things. 1) It happens at public schools too, and 2) the school doesn't give athletic scholarships by the strictest definition.
Actually both sides of this age old argument are partially true and both sides tell only the facts that support their argument. IT WILL NEVER BE SOLVED.
So, maybe we just let the kids play ball?
Yeah, name specifics, crap or get off the pot.
Number 2 is no different than any school wanting the teacher to move into the town or district. That has nothing to do with athletics and is completely normal and should be expected.
Private schools do not recruit, or turn people away because they can't play sports. They don't pay for an athletes admission, THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO.
I would love it if the public schools had to pinch pennies the way private schools do, maybe we'd actually have some fiscal responsibility and these losers in administration at these schools would realize how stupid it is to allege that schools turn people away to keep their enrollment down for frickin basketball. Are you kidding me?
I'm sick of all the babies in the NSAA and all these socialist LOSER schools crying. They love making allegations without any substance. Public schools do most, if not all, of the recruiting in this state, PERIOD.
Private schools do not have to tell anyone who is getting a scholarship or where the "scholarship" money went. It is simply based on "need" whatever that means, the basketball team "needed" to be better or the kid's family needed it to cover tuition. Lets be real here about money and private schools, there is enough money to go around, most schools have well to do boosters that make things happen. I know of a girl in my area that was called last summer to transfer to a private school for volleyball, however we are not going to throw schools under the bus or kids, that doesn't make sense to do that. Once again, private schools do have the ability to control their enrollment and take who they want, obviously they would like families to be able to pay their way and support the school, they are not going to take a bunch of people who can't pay and run their numbers up. They are very selective and often times sports and "need" are linked. A private school with good sports equals revenue for the school and the scholarship money is recouped. Lets stop living in a fantasy, do we really need to discuss this any more, people have opinions on both sides that are never going to be resolved.
Prove it. All I see is "we all know..yadda yadda" Revenue for the school from sports? What crap.
Seriously, you are clueless. You have no concept, at all, and yet you think you have authority to speak on it. What a joke, people like you are ruining this for the kids, which is who this should be about.
Yeah, we at the NSAA care about safety, but not for a parochial school and the kids whose families choose to send them there, we're ok with them playing up a class in football. What a joke.
High School sports is a huge money maker. Not! I was at a basketball game the other night, and there is no way there were enough people at the game to even cover the expense for the officials. Then add in the expense of workers, and electricity. They lost money that night.
Private schools want their cake and eat also The dont want to or feel they should have to disclose any scholarship, tuition reduction (or what ever you want to call it) to anyone or the requirements to receive any of the above. The dont report out on Sped kids, they do not have to offer ESL, or any special education services ( it is not required) BUT they want to say its an equal field even if they are not required to play by the same rules of enrollment. Why are they so worried about this new possible rule, They say it affects them the most, well why is that, because they have higher success rate and Let me guess because they work harder than all other kids in the state and we know that the best coaches always gravitate towards the company who pays the less and has the poorest retirement and insurance benefits. Is that really your reason for such a higher success rate ? You want the same treatment but you dont want to follow the same rules the State puts on public education and these rules effect our student body and differ in a true count of students.
Correct. Usually the sports programs, even those that sell high amounts of tickets, don't make ANY money for the school. The booster clubs barely stay above water. What public school people don't realize is just how much money cost of operations are, even for the gyms. Uniforms, etc. Tax money is taken for granted, BIG time.
Here's the deal.
There probably is some recruiting going on in some private schools. There's just as much, and I guarantee there's more, in public schools.
But the real problem is there are idiots out there who literally think private schools don't take certain kids because they 1) Can't play sports or 2) want to keep their enrollment down to stay down a class.
This is simply absurd.
Private schools need students to survive and the tuition and support that comes with them. If that makes so much sense, why is Norfolk catholic at the bottom of C1? They've kicked butt in C1...why wouldn't they try to keep their enrollment up as close to the border of C1 as possible and then kick people out or not accept accordingly? They make more money and get to stay in C1. It's simply rediculous.
How about this for everyone. Instead of adopting a program that will kill numerous schools and punish kids who have done nothing wrong, which is what this really does, why don't we adopt the multiplier for schools who we can PROVE have manipulated their enrollment or turned kids down to stay in a certain class. Not because they were successful, but because they manipulated their numbers, paid players, turned students away, etc etc. Just because a school is successful it doesn't mean they did any of that. IF it's so common and happens all the time we should be able to prove it, right? So let's just punish those schools who do that and leave the innocent ones alone. That is true FAIRness, if that's what the cry babies say, this is about fairness. Well thats fair..bring evidence and punish the schools that do it and not those that don't. That way kids aren't punished by a bunch of adults who can't handle their kids not getting a trophy.
There probably is some recruiting going on in some private schools. There's just as much, and I guarantee there's more, in public schools.
But the real problem is there are idiots out there who literally think private schools don't take certain kids because they 1) Can't play sports or 2) want to keep their enrollment down to stay down a class.
This is simply absurd.
Private schools need students to survive and the tuition and support that comes with them. If that makes so much sense, why is Norfolk catholic at the bottom of C1? They've kicked butt in C1...why wouldn't they try to keep their enrollment up as close to the border of C1 as possible and then kick people out or not accept accordingly? They make more money and get to stay in C1. It's simply rediculous.
How about this for everyone. Instead of adopting a program that will kill numerous schools and punish kids who have done nothing wrong, which is what this really does, why don't we adopt the multiplier for schools who we can PROVE have manipulated their enrollment or turned kids down to stay in a certain class. Not because they were successful, but because they manipulated their numbers, paid players, turned students away, etc etc. Just because a school is successful it doesn't mean they did any of that. IF it's so common and happens all the time we should be able to prove it, right? So let's just punish those schools who do that and leave the innocent ones alone. That is true FAIRness, if that's what the cry babies say, this is about fairness. Well thats fair..bring evidence and punish the schools that do it and not those that don't. That way kids aren't punished by a bunch of adults who can't handle their kids not getting a trophy.
I do not believe any private school turn down students who dont play sports, I also dont believe they manipulate numbers
As soon as public schools indicate which kids are SPED or Free/reduced, I have no problem with finding out which kids go across town on scholarship. This is crazy. And I'm a public school guy. ALL schools get to "take who they want", notably public schools surrounding North Platte, Kearney, Hastings, GI, Columbus, Norfolk, etc. ALL tuition free. WITH busing! You honestly think a school without tax dollars is going to turn away a kid because it might make them D1, instead of D2? When they are desperately trying to keep the doors open? Next you'll expect me to believe that a public school district would continue to extort dollars from the taxpayers to keep building schools to avoid being Class A and keep dominating Class B.
When public schools list the Sped kids, ESL kids, and free/reduced lunch kids, private schools should have to as well. Or since none of them can be any good at sports, maybe just ban them? What % of D1 football players were any of those things?
They already indicate how many sped kids and how many free and reduce meal kids, you want them to put a name to each kid get real, That is a very under educated red neck response
Isn't that exactly what those jealous of private schools want? This whole sloppy, ill-thought proposal is so full of double standards it reminds me of something cooked up by the current administration in DC or some loony college campus. Maybe we should add a safe space in case a home-field advantage and momentum becomes too intolerable? You would never hear me tell my kids that the kids across town are 1.67 times better than they are, or 1.33 times better. That's crazy. Especially considering the young man playing basketball for his 3rd school in Omaha, well, intended 3rd school. Not one was a private school. This isn't a proposal intended to lift up poorly run, poorly administered programs. It's designed to punish those that are well led. How a common sense person could support that is beyond me. Before open enrollment, I had some concerns. Now, public schools have every advantage, from kids that couldn't academically "qualify", so to speak, far deeper pockets, FREE tuition, better facilities, lighter academic loads, different behavior expectations, the list goes on and on. I love public schools. They are the most important single institution in this country's future. But the excuse making, snowflake saving, class envy/warfare HAS TO STOP. Play. If your kids team isn't good enough, deal with it. Perhaps they should have had better genetics.
The entire argument is about the wide spread differences between private and public. Neither side does anything wrong or "unfair". Each side does everything that they are allowed to do. Look back on these arguments and it just proves how different public education is than private. How can anyone say it is a level playing field and then list all the differences. The foundation has to be the same. Id be the first one to argue that Public schools have a lot of advantages over private. But dont say they are equal or the same.
Nothing in life is equal or the same. Why don't we argue that a small town that was settled by people with large frames and passes those genes along should play up a class? If a school/community produces short people shouldn't opposing teams have to sit their 6'3" and taller players? Where does it end? This is nothing short of an attack on private schools. It's probably far deeper rooted than mere athletics. It would do nothing, nothing at all, to help the bad programs. Punishing success is about the most bedrock value of statism that exists.
People are just trying to make the best system possible for the state. It cant be that crazy of a proposal IF 44 / 52 states already have something in place to handle public/private situation. Multiplier, separate league, or success system. It is not like this is something that has never been done before.
You will find that most of Nebraskans no nothing of the other states and when you point it out they will often respond it just wont work in Nebraska as if people change so much as soon as you cross State line. Or they will say we are doing it right even if they are the only one doing that way. Its a very stuck State
I'm not quite sure how to answer something that refers to 44 of the 52 states, but I'll try...First I'd have to be convinced of what the "situation" is, and it needs addressed. Secondly NO state is quite like Nebraska. You could argue the the Dakotas, MT, and Wyoming have a lot of similarities. We are different than any of those. It isn't "crazy". Nothing fits better into liberal ideology, of which education has become a victim, than punishing those who dare to either A. Be successful more than they "deserve" or B. Punishing those too stupid to allow the State to have total control over educating their children. To most of us, I think, who aren't so wrapped up in winning trophies vicariously through our kids, which if WE had better genetics, wouldn't be a problem at all, it's completely ludicrous. But very much in line with modern "thinking". I'm just waiting for someone to have the intellectual and moral honesty that supports this to call it exactly what it is.
Maybe Alabama ought to have to play in the NFL. Heaven forbid other schools try to overcome the massive advantages the Tide have. UConn women to WNBA? Chasing the dynasties used to make everybody else better...
These response went exactly like I said it would, take it from someone who has lived in other states, I can tell you they are exactly a like, they are just not as near narrow minded and have much higher ACT scores : ) so that liberal way of doing things as you call it, might be why Nebraska ranks like 36 in ACT compared to other States
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...is there some law forcing you to live among us simpletons? Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a more forward thinking place? Maybe somewhere where success is parcelled out by a carefully proscribed formula? Where good intentions outweigh results? Some place where meanies who play better aren't allowed to just win without being punished, might be a happier place for you. On behalf of all of us who simply aren't enlightened enough to understand the need to punish success, i apologize. I hear California calling for you....
1. I agree with you that I'm not for this rule, however...
2. You're literally arguing for a single class system without any balance whatsoever, and...
3. Your continued use of right-wing talking points like saying education has fallen victim to liberal ideology and buzzwords like "snowflake" does not add to the strength of your arguments. I think everyone here can agree that even if there are private/public politics involved, politicizing Nebraska high schools and athletics based on national political ideologies isn't furthering the discussion.
Just for information, Kansas is seriously looking at adding a multiplier for parochial schools, similar to what Missouri does. The model in place in Missouri multiplies parochial school enrollment by 1.35 when determining classifications.
I understand what you are saying about #3. I do counter that this rule, like the things you've mentioned spring from EXACTLY the same root. Everyone needs to be special. No one should lose. It isn't "Fair"...etc., etc., etc. To me, those are massive, perhaps eventually fatal, societal flaws. If they are politicized it's because of one or the other of the political parties pandering for votes. To me this STILL reeks of something cooked up in the name of "diversity" on a college campus or some cockeyed, over-complicated rule pushed by our federal government to address a probably that not everyone even agrees is a problem. I'm sorry if that's too political, but I'll bet anyone on here that's a farmer or small business owner, whether or not they agree with me, would recognize it for what it is. What you call "right wing" is the sort of logic I learned from my Grandparents. And they were rock-ribbed Democrats. ;-)
#2 Not really. At least I didn't think I was. Sorry. But, wouldn't a tournament of champions be a blast? Hard to do in football, track we have times, but in wrestling take the top 4 of each class put them in a 16 and let 'er rip. BB could be Champs, round robin 2 3 team pools and then play 1st, 3rd, 5th place games.
